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Vicki:
As longstanding word perfect user, I feel your pain! I struggled for
hours the first couple of times with this issue. Then I found
www.ehow.com which instructed how to copy and and paste the POS and
Notice of Entered Order part of the Word, which have different footers,
into the Word Pleading so it all meshes nicely.
Mark T. Jessee
Law Offices of Mark T. Jessee
"A Debt Relief Agency"
50 W. Hillcrest Drive, Suite 200
Thousand Oaks, CA 91360
(805) 497-5868 (805) 497-5864 (Facsimile)
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On Fri, 11 May 2012 15:46:15 -0700 (PDT), vicki temkin wrote:
Does anyone else have such grief with uploading LOU's?
I had to speak to their office twice today,
no one really seems to know how to make the POS and Notice of Entered
Order part of the Word
pleading except by cutting and pasting, and in general, one guy there
can't understand why the court
insists on using Word when most attys use Word Perfect. Is there a
need for CDCBAA to have a
program on them? It took me hours today. Hope I finally got it right.
Vicki
Vicki L. Temkin
Law Office of Vicki L. Temkin
15021 Ventura Blvd., Ste. 753
Sherman Oaks, Ca 91403
Ph: (818) 501-4658 / Fx: (818) 501-0903
www.vtemkinlaw.com
To: "cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] LOU and Judges Copies of proposed orders
I think there is an expanded list of documents that we will not
need to provide "Judge's Copies" on in the new rules coming out in
June. )
Catherine Christiansen
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] LOU and Judges Copies of proposed orders
Well, that would be nice. If we can get them to pare down what we
need to send in Chapter 13 cases, that would be nice too. I mean, does
the Judge really look at the Tax and DSO Declaration? And then
there's the requirement of the mortgage declaration...don't get me
started...
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Mark J. Markus
Law Office of Mark J. Markus
11684 Ventura Blvd. PMB #403
Studio City, CA 91604-2652
(818)509-1173 (818)509-1460 (fax)
web: http://www.bklaw.com/
This Firm is a Qualified Federal Debt Relief Agency (see what this
means at
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Does anyone else have such grief with uploading LOU's? I had to speak to their office twice today,
no one really seems to know how to make the POS and Notice of Entered Order part of the Word
pleading except by cutting and pasting, and in general, one guy there can't understand why the court
insists on using Word when most attys use Word Perfect. Is there a need for CDCBAA to have a
program on them? It took me hours today. Hope I finally got it right.
Vicki
Vicki L. Temkin
Law Office of Vicki L. Temkin
15021 Ventura Blvd., Ste. 753
Sherman Oaks, Ca 91403
Ph:(818) 501-4658 /Fx:(818) 501-0903
www.vtemkinlaw.com
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>To: "cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com"
>Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 1:09 PM
>Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] LOU and Judges Copies of proposed orders
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>I think there is an expanded list of documents that we will not need to provide "Judge's Copies" on in the new rules coming out in June. )
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>Catherine Christiansen
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>To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 12:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] LOU and Judges Copies of proposed orders
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>Well, that would be nice. If we can get them to pare down what we need to send in Chapter 13 cases, that would be nice too. I mean, does the Judge really look at the Tax and DSO Declaration? And then there's the requirement of the mortgage declaration...don't get me started...
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>Mark J. Markus
>Law Office of Mark J. Markus
>11684 Ventura Blvd. PMB #403
>Studio City, CA 91604-2652
>(818)509-1173 (818)509-1460 (fax)
>web: http://www.bklaw.com/
>This Firm is a Qualified Federal Debt Relief Agency (see what
this means at
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I think there is an expanded list of documents that we will not need to provide "Judge's Copies" on in the new rules coming out in June. )
Catherine Christiansen
________________________________
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] LOU and Judges Copies of proposed orders
Well, that would be nice. If we can get them to pare down what we need to send in Chapter 13 cases, that would be nice too. I mean, does the Judge really look at the Tax and DSO Declaration? And then there's the requirement of the mortgage declaration...don't get me started...
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Mark J. Markus
Law Office of Mark J. Markus
11684 Ventura Blvd. PMB #403
Studio City, CA 91604-2652
(818)509-1173 (818)509-1460 (fax)
web: http://www.bklaw.com/
This Firm is a Qualified Federal Debt Relief Agency (see what
this means at
The post was migrated from Yahoo.
Well, that would be nice. If we can get them to pare down what we
need to send in Chapter 13 cases, that would be nice too. I mean,
does the Judge really look at the Tax and DSO Declaration? And
then there's the requirement of the mortgage declaration...don't
get me started...
*************************
Mark J. Markus
Law Office of Mark J. Markus
11684 Ventura Blvd. PMB #403
Studio City, CA 91604-2652
(818)509-1173 (818)509-1460 (fax)
web: http://www.bklaw.com/
This Firm is a Qualified Federal Debt Relief Agency (see what this
means at
The post was migrated from Yahoo.
Joseph, when you got the orders rejected for failure to provide judge's copies, was it crystal clear that the missing judge's copies referred to the order, as opposed to the underlying motion or documents? Judge Riblet, for instance, has told me from the bench for the last year not to send paper copies of orders. But she just rejected a LOU because there was "no judge's copy." She didn't say there was no copy of the order or of the motion; the wording was ambiguous. What she was missing was the motion the order related to, even though I was sure I had sent it. - John D. Faucher
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Yesterday we heard that all of the copies we are sending are going in the recycle bin, no matter how they are labeled. I don't think any of the attorneys listening were believing because many asked for clarification. the new rules are coming out in June to back up what we were told. Right now it's a matter of faith, are we going to believe what we heard yesterday or what we read in the rules.
Catherine Christiansen
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To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] LOU and Judges Copies of proposed orders
I'm completely confused now. I wasn't before this thread started, but now I am. When we lodge an order, do we need to send ANYTHING to the Judge's chambers, whether we call it a judge's copy, courtesy copy, Sidney, or late for dinner?
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Mark J. Markus
Law Office of Mark J. Markus
11684 Ventura Blvd. PMB #403
Studio City, CA 91604-2652
(818)509-1173 (818)509-1460 (fax)
web: http://www.bklaw.com/
This Firm is a Qualified Federal Debt Relief Agency (see what
this means at
The post was migrated from Yahoo.
@ Mark, I would send a "judge's copy" of the proposed order until we get
notice of the new rules.
Sincerely,
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Daniela P. Romero*
*Law Office of Daniela P. Romero, APLC*
*1015 North Lake Ave., Ste. 212*
*Pasadena, CA 91104*
*Tel: (626) 817-2611*
*Fax: (626) 296-6991*
*email: dromerolaw@gmail.com *
*web: www.pasadenabankruptcylaw.com*
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I'm completely confused now. I wasn't before this thread started,
but now I am. When we lodge an order, do we need to send ANYTHING
to the Judge's chambers, whether we call it a judge's copy, courtesy
copy, Sidney, or late for dinner?
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Mark J. Markus
Law Office of Mark J. Markus
11684 Ventura Blvd. PMB #403
Studio City, CA 91604-2652
(818)509-1173 (818)509-1460 (fax)
web: http://www.bklaw.com/
This Firm is a Qualified Federal Debt Relief Agency (see what this
means at
The post was migrated from Yahoo.
SO,
The Judge has the prerogative to deny our LOU's for failure to provide a "judge's copy" or "chambers copy" when they might be improperly labeled as a "courtesy copy," even when they might placed in a bin labeled "courtesy copies?"
I am happy to this copy requirement eliminated, by any name.
Sent from my iPad
On May 10, 2012, at 7:25 PM, Larry Simons wrote:
> Judge Bluebond mentioned the elimination of "judge's copies" was being discussed awhile back at an LABF meeting. Looks like it's proceeding.
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> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 07:16 PM
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] LOU and Judges Copies of proposed orders
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> We just learned that Judges no longer need a copy of the order, now. New rules coming out in June that will state that also.
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> Catherine Christiansen
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> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 7:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] LOU and Judges Copies of proposed orders
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> Note that we have been admonished by some judge's in LA that the copy that goes to the judge's chambers (thus "judge's copy" or "chamber's copy") which may be put in a bin outside the judge's chambers, are never to be called "courtesy copies". Maybe they should be called "prerogative copies", except in OC where the bins for the "chamber/judge's/prerogative" copies are all labeled "courtesy copies".
> Pat Green
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> Agreed.
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> Joseph E. Caceres, Esq.
> Caceres & Shamash, LLP
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Giovanni Orantes
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> That's just semantics. I'm sure when told a courtesy copy is not needed, people think that refers to the "Judge's Copy."
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SO,The Judge has the prerogative to deny our LOU's for failure to provide a "judge's copy" or "chambers copy" when they might be improperly labeled as a "courtesy copy," even when they might placed in a bin labeled "courtesy copies?"I am happy to this copy requirement eliminated, by any name.Sent from my iPadOn May 10, 2012, at 7:25 PM, Larry Simons <larry@lsimonslaw.com> wrote:
Judge Bluebond mentioned the elimination of "judge's copies" was being discussed awhile back at an LABF meeting. Looks like it's proceeding.
From: Catherine Christiansen [mailto:christiansenlaw@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 07:16 PM
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com <cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] LOU and Judges Copies of proposed orders
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We just learned that Judges no longer need a copy of the order, now. New rules coming out in June that will state that also.
Catherine Christiansen
________________________________
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] LOU and Judges Copies of proposed orders
Note that we have been admonished by some judge's in LA that the copy that goes to the judge's chambers (thus "judge's copy" or "chamber's copy") which may be put in a bin outside the judge's chambers, are never to be called "courtesy copies". Maybe they should be called "prerogative copies", except in OC where the bins for the "chamber/judge's/prerogative" copies are all labeled "courtesy copies".
Pat Green
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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