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Debtor is unable to obtain copy of revocable trust where

Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:04 pm
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Dennis, in your scenario (which is different from the one I have here),
when you "revoke the trust" I am presuming there still needs to be equity
to make it worth your while, or is there some other trick I am not aware of?
Holly Roark
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www.roarklawoffices.com
Central District of California
Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney
1875 Century Park East, Suite 600
Los Angeles, CA 90067
T (310) 553-2600
F (310) 553-2601
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On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Dennis wrote:
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> When I was a trustee, lawyer stated property in trust. I said revocable,
> debtor said yes, I said, "I revoke the trust.". I then sold the house.
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> Dennis
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> On Mar 2, 2013, at 1:54 PM, robert90701@aol.com wrote:
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> Hello:
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> If you are a beneficiary of a irrevocable trust, or a revocable trust
> while the Trustor is very old or ill, then you need to analyze if filing
> bankruptcy is the right thing to do. Thats because the trustee may have a
> right to those assets for 180 days after filing your petition. Just because
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> In a message dated 3/2/2013 7:21:55 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> marge@margeslaw.com writes:
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> Trust attorney cannot be compelled to turn over any estate planning
> materials if his client is still alive. It is a breach of his ethical duty
> to his living client. The trust attorney can write a letter that states
> that and that settlor is alive; I have done it. Usually its because the
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> *From:* cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf
> Of *Giovanni Orantes
> *Sent:* Friday, March 01, 2013 6:38 PM
> *To:* cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> *Cc:* Strictly Bankruptcy Issues
> *Subject:* Re: [cdcbaa] Debtor is unable to obtai n copy of revocable
> trust where he is a contingent beneficiary - can trustee force Settlor to
> turn over?****
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> Provide declaration of debtor to the trsutee stating what you just said.**
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> On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Holly Roark
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> Chapter 7 Trustee has requested a copy of a trust where the debtor is a
> contingent beneficiary (or debtor believes he is a contingent beneficiary).
> Both debtor and Settlor do not have a copy of the trust, and trust attorney
> will not provide a copy. Can Chapter 7 trustee compel the turn over of
> this trust? According to the trust attorney, it is revocable and Settlor
> can change it at any time. Debtor has done his best to comply with
> trustee's demand to provide, but if he can't get a copy he can't get a copy.
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> Thoughts?****
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Dennis, in your scenario (which is different from the one I have here), when you "revoke the trust" I am presuming there still needs to be equity to make it worth your while, or is there some other trickI am notaware of?
Holly Roark
holly@roarklawoffices.com**primary email address**
www.roarklawoffices.com
Central District of California
Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney
1875 Century Park East, Suite 600
Los Angeles, CA 90067
T (310) 553-2600
F (310) 553-2601**For a quicker response, email me at holly@roarklawoffices.com. I only use gmail for my listservs, and am likely to miss private emails
directed to my gmail account.**
On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Dennis <cdcbaamailbox@gmail.com> wrote:
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Debtor is unable to obtain copy of revocable trust where

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:29 pm
by Yahoo Bot

That sounds like a different scenario, Dennis (i.e., where the debtor is
the settlor a.k.a. trustor, grantor, creator, grantor, donor, or founder)
and not only a beneficiary.
Giovanni Orantes, Esq.
Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*
Orantes Law Firm, P.C.
3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
Los Angeles, CA 90010
Tel: (213) 389-4362
Fax: (877) 789-5776
e-mail: go@gobklaw.com
website: www.gobklaw.com
*Board Certified - Business Bankruptcy Law - American Board of Certification
*Board Certified - Consumer Bankruptcy Law - American Board of Certification
That sounds like a different scenario, Dennis (i.e., where the debtor is the settlor a.k.a. trustor, grantor, creator, grantor, donor, or founder) and not only a beneficiary.
kruptcy Specialist* Orantes Law Firm, P.C.3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980Los Angeles, CA 90010Tel: (213) 389-4362Fax: (877) 789-5776
e-mail: go@gobklaw.comwebsite: www.gobklaw.com*Board Certified - Business Bankruptcy Law - American Board of Certification
*Board Certified - Consumer Bankruptcy Law - American Board of Certification

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Debtor is unable to obtain copy of revocable trust where

Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:37 pm
by Yahoo Bot

Provide declaration of debtor to the trsutee stating what you just said.
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Holly Roark wrote:
> **
>
>
> Chapter 7 Trustee has requested a copy of a trust where the debtor is a
> contingent beneficiary (or debtor believes he is a contingent beneficiary).
> Both debtor and Settlor do not have a copy of the trust, and trust attorney
> will not provide a copy. Can Chapter 7 trustee compel the turn over of
> this trust? According to the trust attorney, it is revocable and Settlor
> can change it at any time. Debtor has done his best to comply with
> trustee's demand to provide, but if he can't get a copy he can't get a copy.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> Holly Roark
> holly@roarklawoffices.com **primary email address**
> www.roarklawoffices.com
> Central District of California
> Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney
> 1875 Century Park East, Suite 600
> Los Angeles, CA 90067
> T (310) 553-2600
> F (310) 553-2601
>
> **For a quicker response, email me at holly@roarklawoffices.com.
> I only use gmail for my listservs, and am likely to miss private emails
> directed to my gmail account.**
>
>
>
>
Giovanni Orantes, Esq.
Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*
Orantes Law Firm, P.C.
3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
Los Angeles, CA 90010
Tel: (213) 389-4362
Fax: (877) 789-5776
e-mail: go@gobklaw.com
website: www.gobklaw.com
*Board Certified - Business Bankruptcy Law - American Board of Certification
*Board Certified - Consumer Bankruptcy Law - American Board of Certification
WE ARE A "DEBT RELIEF AGENCY" AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.
SERVING BAKERSFIELD, LOS ANGELES, ORANGE COUNTY, RIVERSIDE, SAN BERNARDINO
AND SANTA BARBARA AND THE WORLD FOR CHAPTER 11 AND 15 CASES.
Note: The information contained in this e-mail message is confidential
information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named. If
the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent
responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby
notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication
is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error,
please immediately notify us by telephone or e-mail and delete the original
e-mail at (213) 389-4362 or (888) 619-8222.
IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: In order to comply with requirements imposed
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to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding penalties
under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing, or
recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein.
Provide declaration of debtor to the trsuteestating what you just said.On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Holly Roark <hollyroark22@gmail.com> wrote:
Chapter 7 Trustee has requested a copy of a trust where the debtor is a contingent beneficiary (or debtor believes he is a contingent beneficiary). Both debtor andSettlor do not have a copy of the trust, and trust attorney will not provide a copy. Can Chapter 7 trustee compel the turn over of this trust? According to the trust attorney, it is revocable andSettlor can change it at any time. Debtor has done his best to
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