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Attorney as Debtor - will Ch 7 trustee make sole prop

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:13 am
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the business assets back to the debtor
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Kirk Brennan wrote:
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>
> Motion to abandon what? The commercial lease?
> On Mar 12, 2012 10:42 PM, "Giovanni Orantes" wrote:
>
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>>
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>> I don't take the chance if there is an actual commercial lease involved.
>> We always file a motion to abandon on negative notice as soon as possible
>> after we file the case. You have to get the filing fee and some attorneys'
>> fees for the work (I've done it for virtually just the filing fee in the
>> past, but I hear it's best to get paid for your work, especially when you
>> have to make payroll). Watch how quickly your client turns on you if the
>> trustee tells him to go and shut down the business immediately. I've seen
>> it happen.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Holly Roark wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>> So far I have not had a Chapter 7 trustee ask any sole proprietor client
>>> to shut down his/her business when they file chapter 7 since in all such
>>> cases I've had, the debtors were operating very small solo businesses, such
>>> as a beautician, a mechanic, or a home business of some kind. I am filing
>>> a chapter 7 for a sole proprietor attorney soon and am wondering whether a
>>> Chapter 7 trustee in the CDCA would be likely to shut him down for the
>>> duration of the Chapter 7 case? There are receivables we can't exempt
>>> which the trustee may want to go after (though their collectibility is
>>> doubtful), so this case *may* be an asset case.
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> Holly Roark
>>> holly@roarklawoffices.com
>>> www.roarklawoffices.com
>>> Central District of California
>>> Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney
>>> 1875 Century Park East, Suite 600
>>> Los Angeles, CA 90067
>>> T (310) 553-2600
>>> F (310) 553-2601
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Giovanni Orantes, Esq.
>> Orantes Law Firm, P.C.
>> 3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
>> Los Angeles, CA 90010
>> Tel: (213) 389-4362
>> Fax: (877) 789-5776
>> e-mail: go@gobklaw.com
>> website: www.gobklaw.com
>>
>> WE ARE A "DEBT RELIEF AGENCY" AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.
>>
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>> BERNARDINO AND SANTA BARBARA.
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>
Giovanni Orantes, Esq.
Orantes Law Firm, P.C.
3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
Los Angeles, CA 90010
Tel: (213) 389-4362
Fax: (877) 789-5776
e-mail: go@gobklaw.com
website: www.gobklaw.com
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the business assets back to the debtorOn Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Kirk Brennan <
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Attorney as Debtor - will Ch 7 trustee make sole prop

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:25 pm
by Yahoo Bot

Motion to abandon what? The commercial lease?
On Mar 12, 2012 10:42 PM, "Giovanni Orantes" wrote:
> **
>
>
> I don't take the chance if there is an actual commercial lease involved.
> We always file a motion to abandon on negative notice as soon as possible
> after we file the case. You have to get the filing fee and some attorneys'
> fees for the work (I've done it for virtually just the filing fee in the
> past, but I hear it's best to get paid for your work, especially when you
> have to make payroll). Watch how quickly your client turns on you if the
> trustee tells him to go and shut down the business immediately. I've seen
> it happen.
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Holly Roark wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> So far I have not had a Chapter 7 trustee ask any sole proprietor client
>> to shut down his/her business when they file chapter 7 since in all such
>> cases I've had, the debtors were operating very small solo businesses, such
>> as a beautician, a mechanic, or a home business of some kind. I am filing
>> a chapter 7 for a sole proprietor attorney soon and am wondering whether a
>> Chapter 7 trustee in the CDCA would be likely to shut him down for the
>> duration of the Chapter 7 case? There are receivables we can't exempt
>> which the trustee may want to go after (though their collectibility is
>> doubtful), so this case *may* be an asset case.
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Holly Roark
>> holly@roarklawoffices.com
>> www.roarklawoffices.com
>> Central District of California
>> Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney
>> 1875 Century Park East, Suite 600
>> Los Angeles, CA 90067
>> T (310) 553-2600
>> F (310) 553-2601
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Giovanni Orantes, Esq.
> Orantes Law Firm, P.C.
> 3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
> Los Angeles, CA 90010
> Tel: (213) 389-4362
> Fax: (877) 789-5776
> e-mail: go@gobklaw.com
> website: www.gobklaw.com
>
> WE ARE A "DEBT RELIEF AGENCY" AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.
>
> SERVING BAKERSFIELD, LOS ANGELES, ORANGE COUNTY, RIVERSIDE, SAN BERNARDINO
> AND SANTA BARBARA.
>
> Note: The information contained in this e-mail message is confidential
> information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named. If
> the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent
> responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby
> notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication
> is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error,
> please immediately notify us by telephone or e-mail and delete the original
> e-mail at (213) 389-4362 or (888) 619-8222.
>
> IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: In order to comply with requirements imposed
> by the Internal Revenue Service, we inform you that any U.S. tax advice
> contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended
> to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding penalties
> under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing, or
> recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein.
>
>
>
Motion to abandon what? The commercial lease?
On Mar 12, 2012 10:42 PM, "Giovanni Orantes" <go@gobklaw.com> wrote:
I don't take the chance if there is an actual commercial lease involved. We always file a motion to abandon on negative notice as soon as possible after we file the case. You have to get the filing fee and
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Attorney as Debtor - will Ch 7 trustee make sole prop

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:42 pm
by Yahoo Bot

I don't take the chance if there is an actual commercial lease involved.
We always file a motion to abandon on negative notice as soon as possible
after we file the case. You have to get the filing fee and some attorneys'
fees for the work (I've done it for virtually just the filing fee in the
past, but I hear it's best to get paid for your work, especially when you
have to make payroll). Watch how quickly your client turns on you if the
trustee tells him to go and shut down the business immediately. I've seen
it happen.
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Holly Roark wrote:
> **
>
>
> So far I have not had a Chapter 7 trustee ask any sole proprietor client
> to shut down his/her business when they file chapter 7 since in all such
> cases I've had, the debtors were operating very small solo businesses, such
> as a beautician, a mechanic, or a home business of some kind. I am filing
> a chapter 7 for a sole proprietor attorney soon and am wondering whether a
> Chapter 7 trustee in the CDCA would be likely to shut him down for the
> duration of the Chapter 7 case? There are receivables we can't exempt
> which the trustee may want to go after (though their collectibility is
> doubtful), so this case *may* be an asset case.
> What do you think?
>
> Holly Roark
> holly@roarklawoffices.com
> www.roarklawoffices.com
> Central District of California
> Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney
> 1875 Century Park East, Suite 600
> Los Angeles, CA 90067
> T (310) 553-2600
> F (310) 553-2601
>
>
>
>
Giovanni Orantes, Esq.
Orantes Law Firm, P.C.
3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
Los Angeles, CA 90010
Tel: (213) 389-4362
Fax: (877) 789-5776
e-mail: go@gobklaw.com
website: www.gobklaw.com
WE ARE A "DEBT RELIEF AGENCY" AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.
SERVING BAKERSFIELD, LOS ANGELES, ORANGE COUNTY, RIVERSIDE, SAN BERNARDINO
AND SANTA BARBARA.
Note: The information contained in this e-mail message is confidential
information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named. If
the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent
responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby
notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication
is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error,
please immediately notify us by telephone or e-mail and delete the original
e-mail at (213) 389-4362 or (888) 619-8222.
IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: In order to comply with requirements imposed
by the Internal Revenue Service, we inform you that any U.S. tax advice
contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended
to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding penalties
under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing, or
recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein.
I don't take the chance if there is an actual commercial lease involved. We always file a motion to abandon on negative notice as soon as possible after we file the case. You have to get the filing fee and some atto
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Attorney as Debtor - will Ch 7 trustee make sole prop

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:19 pm
by Yahoo Bot

No assets but some probably uncollectible receivables.
Income per means test works.
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Tyson M. Takeuchi wrote:
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> What potential assets??
> How about income per means test?
>
> The lawyers I have done have all sailed through the system. Professional
> courtesy? No OUST investigations to date for my lawyer clients
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Tyson M. Takeuchi, Esq.
>
> Tyson M. Takeuchi
> Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*^
> Law Offices of Tyson M. Takeuchi
> 1100 Wilshire Blvd., Ste. 2606
> Los Angeles, CA 90017
> tel: (213) 637-1866
> fax: (866) 481-3236
> *By State Bar of California Board of Legal Specialization
> ^Consumer Bankruptcy Specialist Certified by American Board of
> Certification
>
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> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:11:12 -0700
> Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Attorney as Debtor - will Ch 7 trustee make sole
> prop atty close business?
>
>
>
> Mostly litigation: hourly. Very few contingency cases.
>
> Holly Roark
> holly@roarklawoffices.com
> www.roarklawoffices.com
> Central District of California
> Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney
> 1875 Century Park East, Suite 600
> Los Angeles, CA 90067
> T (310) 553-2600
> F (310) 553-2601
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Larry Simons wrote:
>
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>
> ** What type of cases does the PC handle? Contingency or hourly?
>
>
> *From*: Holly Roark [mailto:hollyroark22@gmail.com]
> *Sent*: Monday, March 12, 2012 10:00 PM
> *To*: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject*: [cdcbaa] Attorney as Debtor - will Ch 7 trustee make sole prop
> atty close business?
>
>
> So far I have not had a Chapter 7 trustee ask any sole proprietor client
> to shut down his/her business when they file chapter 7 since in all such
> cases I've had, the debtors were operating very small solo businesses, such
> as a beautician, a mechanic, or a home business of some kind. I am filing
> a chapter 7 for a sole proprietor attorney soon and am wondering whether a
> Chapter 7 trustee in the CDCA would be likely to shut him down for the
> duration of the Chapter 7 case? There are receivables we can't exempt
> which the trustee may want to go after (though their collectibility is
> doubtful), so this case *may* be an asset case.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Holly Roark
> holly@roarklawoffices.com
> www.roarklawoffices.com
> Central District of California
> Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney
> 1875 Century Park East, Suite 600
> Los Angeles, CA 90067
> T (310) 553-2600
> F (310) 553-2601
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
No assets but some probably uncollectible receivables.Income per means test works.On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Tyson M. Takeuchi <lurpnlaw160@hotmail.com> wrote:

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Attorney as Debtor - will Ch 7 trustee make sole prop

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:19 pm
by Yahoo Bot

I have a similar case I'm about to file for a solo practitioner who
does contingency work. Certainly any portion of the fee earned
prepetition is property of the estate. As far as shutting down the
business goes, I don't see how a trustee can do that since the
business IS the attorney (and presumably the tables, chairs, office
lease, etc. are exempt). More importantly, the attorney has a
fiduciary duty to the clients to continue on in their cases, so he
can't be prevented from doing so, and any work he does post
petition--at least percentagewise--should belong to him. In your
case, since it's hourly, I think the Trustee is limited to
receivables existing on the date the case is filed.
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Law Office of Mark J. Markus
11684 Ventura Blvd. PMB #403
Studio City, CA 91604-2652
(818)509-1173 (818)509-1460 (fax)
web: http://www.bklaw.com/
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Attorney as Debtor - will Ch 7 trustee make sole prop

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:11 pm
by Yahoo Bot

Mostly litigation: hourly. Very few contingency cases.
Holly Roark
holly@roarklawoffices.com
www.roarklawoffices.com
Central District of California
Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney
1875 Century Park East, Suite 600
Los Angeles, CA 90067
T (310) 553-2600
F (310) 553-2601
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Larry Simons wrote:
> **
>
>
> ** What type of cases does the PC handle? Contingency or hourly?
>
> *From*: Holly Roark [mailto:hollyroark22@gmail.com]
> *Sent*: Monday, March 12, 2012 10:00 PM
> *To*: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject*: [cdcbaa] Attorney as Debtor - will Ch 7 trustee make sole prop
> atty close business?
>
>
>
> So far I have not had a Chapter 7 trustee ask any sole proprietor client
> to shut down his/her business when they file chapter 7 since in all such
> cases I've had, the debtors were operating very small solo businesses, such
> as a beautician, a mechanic, or a home business of some kind. I am filing
> a chapter 7 for a sole proprietor attorney soon and am wondering whether a
> Chapter 7 trustee in the CDCA would be likely to shut him down for the
> duration of the Chapter 7 case? There are receivables we can't exempt
> which the trustee may want to go after (though their collectibility is
> doubtful), so this case *may* be an asset case.
> What do you think?
>
> Holly Roark
> holly@roarklawoffices.com
> www.roarklawoffices.com
> Central District of California
> Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney
> 1875 Century Park East, Suite 600
> Los Angeles, CA 90067
> T (310) 553-2600
> F (310) 553-2601
>
>
>
>
Mostly litigation: hourly. Very few contingency cases.Holly Roark
holly@roarklawoffices.com
www.roarklawoffices.com
Central District of California
Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney
1875 Century Park East, Suite 600
Los Angeles, CA 90067
T (310) 553-2600
F (310) 553-2601
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Larry Simons <larry@lsimonslaw.com> wrote:
What type of cases does the PC handle? Contingency or hourly?
From: Holly Roark [mailto:hollyroark22@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 10:00 PM
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com <
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