Central District Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney's Association

You'll also want to review the CA Rules of Professional Conduct, Rule 3-700.
On Friday, March 20, 2015, Holly Roark wrote:
> There's nothing wrong with following the rules.
>
> Holly Roark
> Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*
> *and Sports Lawyer*
> holly@roarklawoffices.com
> **primary
> email address**
> www.roarklawoffices.com
> Central District of California - Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney
> 1875 Century Park East, Suite 600 Los Angeles, CA 90067
> T (310) 553-2600; F (310) 553-2601
>
> *By State Bar of California Board of Legal Specialization
>
> **Counsel for Chapter 13 Trustee Kathleen A. McCallister (Idaho) T (208)
> 922-5100
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:23 PM, sam@southbaybk.com
> [cdcbaa] cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> WOW - just logged on. Lots of responses to this. Not to beat at dead
>> horse but......9013-1(p)(4) allows for withdrawal on NOTICE BUT NO HEARING.
>> The rule then refers one to 2091-1(a) - which just states that one has to
>> give notice to the debtor (among others) of the motion to withdraw.
>> Absolutely nothing in either rule about a hearing, except to say that a
>> hearing is NOT required! This didn't seem right to me, but I don't know how
>> else to read it except that I file the motion, notice it and upload the
>> order. No hearing. BTW - I am not subbing in anyone and the Debtor is
>> uncooperative (to put it mildly). I also have an appearance in 2 weeks that
>> I prefer not to make.
>>
>>
>
>
Holly Roark
Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*
*and Sports Lawyer*
holly@roarklawoffices.com **primary email address**
www.roarklawoffices.com
Central District of California - Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney
1875 Century Park East, Suite 600 Los Angeles, CA 90067
T (310) 553-2600; F (310) 553-2601
*By State Bar of California Board of Legal Specialization
**Counsel for Chapter 13 Trustee Kathleen A. McCallister (Idaho) T (208)
922-5100
You'llalso want to review the CARules of Professional Conduct, Rule 3-700.On Friday, March 20, 2015, Holly Roark <
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There's nothing wrong with following the rules.
Holly Roark
Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*
*and Sports Lawyer*
holly@roarklawoffices.com **primary email address**
www.roarklawoffices.com
Central District of California - Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney
1875 Century Park East, Suite 600 Los Angeles, CA 90067
T (310) 553-2600; F (310) 553-2601
*By State Bar of California Board of Legal Specialization
**Counsel for Chapter 13 Trustee Kathleen A. McCallister (Idaho) T (208)
922-5100
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:23 PM, sam@southbaybk.com [cdcbaa] wrote:
>
>
> WOW - just logged on. Lots of responses to this. Not to beat at dead horse
> but......9013-1(p)(4) allows for withdrawal on NOTICE BUT NO HEARING. The
> rule then refers one to 2091-1(a) - which just states that one has to give
> notice to the debtor (among others) of the motion to withdraw. Absolutely
> nothing in either rule about a hearing, except to say that a hearing is NOT
> required! This didn't seem right to me, but I don't know how else to read
> it except that I file the motion, notice it and upload the order. No
> hearing. BTW - I am not subbing in anyone and the Debtor is uncooperative
> (to put it mildly). I also have an appearance in 2 weeks that I prefer not
> to make.
>
>
There's nothing wrong with following the rules.Holly RoarkCertified Bankruptcy Specialist*and Sports Lawyer
holly@roarklawoffices.com**primary email address**
www.roarklawoffices.com
Central District of California - Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney
1875 Century Park East, Suite 600 Los Angeles, CA 90067
T (310) 553-2600; F (310) 553-2601
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Sam, why not do it pursuant to an OST?
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 3:41 PM, sam@southbaybk.com [cdcbaa] wrote:
>
>
> I am trying to understand 9013-1(p) and 2091-1(a) in regards to a motion
> to withdraw as debtor's counsel in a chapter 7. Do I use the
> normal negative (scream or die) notice? Or do I just file the Motion, POS
> and upload the order? I need to do it quickly.
>
>
>
Sam, why not do it pursuant to an OST?On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 3:41 PM, sam@southbaybk.com [cdcbaa] <
I am trying to understand 9013-1(p) and 2091-1(a) in regards to a motion to withdraw as debtor's counsel in a chapter 7. Do I use the normalnegative (scream or die) notice? Or do I just file the Motion, POS and upload the order? I need to do it quickly.

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Assuming another attorney subbing in signed the form and the client signed
off, you can just upload the form and order.
Holly Roark
Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*
*and Sports Lawyer*
holly@roarklawoffices.com **primary email address**
www.roarklawoffices.com
Central District of California - Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney
1875 Century Park East, Suite 600 Los Angeles, CA 90067
T (310) 553-2600; F (310) 553-2601
*By State Bar of California Board of Legal Specialization
**Counsel for Chapter 13 Trustee Kathleen A. McCallister (Idaho) T (208)
922-5100
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 4:41 PM, sam@southbaybk.com [cdcbaa] wrote:
>
>
> I am trying to understand 9013-1(p) and 2091-1(a) in regards to a motion
> to withdraw as debtor's counsel in a chapter 7. Do I use the
> normal negative (scream or die) notice? Or do I just file the Motion, POS
> and upload the order? I need to do it quickly.
>
>
>
Assuming another attorney subbing in signed the form and the client signed off, you can just upload the form and order.Holly RoarkCertified Bankruptcy Specialist*and Sports Lawyer
holly@roarklawoffices.com**primary email address**
www.roarklawoffices.com
Central District of California - Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney
1875 Century Park East, Suite 600 Los Angeles, CA 90067
T (310) 553-2600; F (310) 553-2601
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Debtor cannot sign a substitution if they are going to be in pro per. It
needs a motion if they are going to be in pro per. If another attorney is
subbing in, they can sign the substitution. There is a form.
If you need to file a motion, it needs to be served on the client. I would
set it for hearing to allow the client to show up and say their piece if
they want to.
I just had such a hearing this morning. Client showed up and opposed my
withdrawal. Luckily I got let out anyway, even after tentative was against
me.
Holly Roark
Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*
*and Sports Lawyer*
holly@roarklawoffices.com **primary email address**
www.roarklawoffices.com
Central District of California - Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney
1875 Century Park East, Suite 600 Los Angeles, CA 90067
T (310) 553-2600; F (310) 553-2601
*By State Bar of California Board of Legal Specialization
**Counsel for Chapter 13 Trustee Kathleen A. McCallister (Idaho) T (208)
922-5100
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Michael Avanesian michael@avanesianlaw.com
[cdcbaa] wrote:
>
>
> Hi Sam. I am not 100% sure but my understanding is if it's a consensual
> substitution of attorney, 2091-1(b) applies and you don't need to notice it
> out. If it's not consensual, i.e. you case, then you need to file the
> motion standard negative notice.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
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> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 3:41 PM, sam@southbaybk.com [cdcbaa] cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I am trying to understand 9013-1(p) and 2091-1(a) in regards to a motion
>> to withdraw as debtor's counsel in a chapter 7. Do I use the
>> normal negative (scream or die) notice? Or do I just file the Motion, POS
>> and upload the order? I need to do it quickly.
>>
>>
>
>
Debtor cannot sign a substitution if they are going to be in pro per. It needs a motion if they are going to be in pro per. If another attorney is subbing in, they can sign the substitution. There is a form.If you need to file a motion, it needs to be served on the client. I would set it for hearing to allow the client to show up and say their piece if they want to.I just had such a hearing this morning. Client showed up and opposed my withdrawal. Luckily I got let out anyway, even after tentative was against me. Holly RoarkCertified Bankruptcy Specialist*and Sports Lawyer
holly@roarklawoffices.com**primary email address**
www.roarklawoffices.com
Central District of California - Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney
1875 Century Park East, Suite 600 Los Angeles, CA 90067
T (310) 553-2600; F (310) 553-2601
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Hi Sam. I am not 100% sure but my understanding is if it's a consensual
substitution of attorney, 2091-1(b) applies and you don't need to notice it
out. If it's not consensual, i.e. you case, then you need to file the
motion standard negative notice.
Sincerely,
*Michael Avanesian, Esq. *AVANESIAN LAW FIRM
101 N. Brand Blvd., PH 1920
Glendale, California 91203
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 3:41 PM, sam@southbaybk.com [cdcbaa] wrote:
>
>
> I am trying to understand 9013-1(p) and 2091-1(a) in regards to a motion
> to withdraw as debtor's counsel in a chapter 7. Do I use the
> normal negative (scream or die) notice? Or do I just file the Motion, POS
> and upload the order? I need to do it quickly.
>
>
>
Hi Sam. I am not 100% sure but my understanding is if it's a consensual substitution of attorney, 2091-1(b) applies and you don't need to notice it out. If it's not consensual, i.e. you case, then you need to file the motion standard negative notice.Sincerely,Michael Avanesian, Esq.AVANESIAN
LAW FIRM101
N. Brand Blvd., PH 1920Glendale,
California 91203Tel:
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 3:41 PM, sam@southbaybk.com [cdcbaa] <cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I am trying to understand 9013-1(p) and 2091-1(a) in regards to a motion to withdraw as debtor's counsel in a chapter 7. Do I use the normalnegative (scream or die) notice? Or do I just file the Motion, POS and upload the order? I need to do it quickly.

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Anyone willing to share a sample motion to withdraw or a case cite to one?
Cheers,
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Process is not a simple form in Chapter 13: courts are very reluctant to
allow subbing out and leaving the debtor pro se to fend for themselves.

Hale
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I saw this issue dealt with last week by a debtor's counsel in chapter
13 case in the northern district. Attorney filed motion to withdraw
based on conflict of interest 3 weeks before trial in our case. Motion
only referenced generalities. Judge set in camera hearing in front of
one of the other bk judges for details and report back to trial judge
as to whether conflict existed to merrit withdrawal. They did not even
provide me notice of the in camera hearing as creditor' s counsel, not
that I could have attended w/ privileged info being discussed.
Mark T. Jessee
Law Offices of Mark T. Jessee
A Debt Relief Agency
50 W. Hillcrest Drive, Suite 200
Thousand Oaks, CA 91360
(805) 497-5868 (805) 497-5864 (fax)
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 02:58:40 +0000, pat@fitzgreenlaw.com wrote:
A declaration under seal would violate the duty of
confidentiality. It would be ratting out the client to the judge,
which is no different than saying the bad stuff in your motion.
> Pat Green
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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> cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:50:48 +0000
> To:
> ReplyTo: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Motion to Withdraw
>
> There is a form on the CACB website under forms and rules. You
> may have to submit a declaration under seal to protect yourself from
> disclosing privileged information in order to get into the reason(s)
> you want out. Without it the court may say there aren't enough facts
> to grant your motion. Sent via BlackBerry
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> Apr 2012 13:58:59 -0000
> To:
> ReplyTo: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com Subject: [cdcbaa] Motion to Withdraw
>
> Issues have arisen with a client, and I need to withdraw from a
> case. I sent Debtor a substitution form but he did not return it.
>
> I need to find a form for a motion to withdraw, as I have never done
> one or seen one in CACB. Can anyone point to a case where they filed
> a motion to withdraw? All responses, on or off board, are appreciated.
>
> Henry Paloci, Esq.
> 888.777.2404
>
>
>

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