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Chapter 13--no proof of claim filed by student loan holder

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:22 am
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I'm just trying to make a Chapter 13 more affordable because they are in a bracket that they must pay 100% in 5 years. To do that with the student loans which are financed over a much longer period would make for a monthly payment that is probably not feasible.

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Chapter 13--no proof of claim filed by student loan holder

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:23 am
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As I understand, there is case law that requires we include student loans
in the Plan and treat them as any other Class 5 creditor.
I'm quite bummed that we can no longer treat them "specially" or outside
the Plan.
Christine
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Steven B. Lever wrote:
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> Has anyone done this successfully? What happens if they put in a Proof of
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> The student debt would not be discharged. *See* 1328(a)(2) combined
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> Confirmed Plan (100%) provides for payment of a small student loan
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> of the Plan, but query, would the loan be discharged since it was to be
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As I understand, there is case law that requires we include student loans in the Plan and treat them as any other Class 5 creditor.I'm quite bummed that we can no longer treat them "specially" or outside the Plan.
ChristineOn Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Steven B. Lever <sblever@leverlaw.com> wrote:
To somewhat hijack, or rather extend a thread, Im thinking about proposing a plan that pays student loans outside the plan.
I know there is case law allowing that.
This is a Los Angeles case. t Has anyone done this successfully? What happens if they put in a Proof of Claim? Would I have to object to it?
Steve Leverf81bd">
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Chapter 13--no proof of claim filed by student loan holder

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:46 pm
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charsetndows-1252
What's your logic on paying outside of the Plan? The only time I can see wanting to do that would be if you're in an active IBR or as looking at a public service forgiveness and the Plan would upset the apple cart of 120 payments.
If not then you're paying disposable income to the unsecured creditors PLUS the student loan debt? Seems as waste of client money and a fight for no upside.
What am I missing here?
Jay
On Feb 9, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Steven B. Lever wrote:
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> To somewhat hijack, or rather extend a thread, Im thinking about proposing a plan that pays student loans outside the plan.
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> I know there is case law allowing that.
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> This is a Los Angeles case.
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> Has anyone done this successfully? What happens if they put in a Proof of Claim? Would I have to object to it?
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> Steve Lever
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Nicholas Gebelt
> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 11:26 AM
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: 'Nicholas Gebelt'
> Subject: RE: [cdcbaa] Chapter 13--no proof of claim filed by student loan holder
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> Dear Kenneth,
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> The student debt would not be discharged. See 1328(a)(2) combined with 523(a)(8) for the situation where the debtor completes the plan, and 1328(c)(2) for the Chapter 13 hardship discharge.
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> Nick
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> Nicholas Gebelt, Ph.D., J.D.
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> Board Certified Bankruptcy Specialist
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> Law Offices of Nicholas Gebelt
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> 15150 Hornell Street
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> Whittier, CA 90604
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> Phone: 562.777.9159
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> FAX: 562.946.1365
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> Email: ngebelt@goodbye2debt.com; ngebelt@gebeltlaw.com
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> Web: www.goodbye2debt.com
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> Blog: www.southerncaliforniabankruptcylawblog.com/
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> We are a debt relief agency. We help people file for bankruptcy relief under the Bankruptcy Code.
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> Subject: [cdcbaa] Chapter 13--no proof of claim filed by student loan holder
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> Confirmed Plan (100%) provides for payment of a small student loan ($4,200). No claim has been filed. Client has the resources to pay outside of the Plan, but query, would the loan be discharged since it was to be paid in full, and the creditor failed to file a proof of claim?
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charsetndows-1252
What's your logic on paying outside of the Plan? The only time I can see wanting to do that would be if you're in an active IBR or as looking at a public service forgiveness and the Plan would upset the apple cart of 120 payments.If not then you're paying disposable income to the unsecured creditors PLUS the student loan debt? Seems as waste of client money and a fight for no upside.What am I missing here?JayOn Feb 9, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Steven B. Lever <sblever@leverlaw.com> wrote:

To somewhat hijack, or rather extend a thread, Im thinking about proposing a plan that pays student loans outside the plan. I know there is case law allowing that. This is a Los Angeles case. Has anyone done this successfully? What happens if they put in a Proof of Claim? Would I have to object to it? Steve Lever From: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas GebeltSent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 11:26 AMTo: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.comCc: 'Nicholas Gebelt'Subject: RE: [cdcbaa] Chapter 13--no proof of claim filed by student loan holder www.goodbye2debt.comBlog: www.southerncaliforniabankruptcylawblog.com/ We are a debt relief agency. We help people file for bankruptcy relief under the Bankruptcy Code. Confidentiality Note: This e-mail is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or otherwise protected from disclosure. Dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail or the information herein by anyone other than the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately at 562.777.9159 or e-mail info@gebeltlaw.com and destroy the original message and all copies. Representation Note: If you have not signed a contract of representation, the Law Offices of Nicholas Gebelt do not represent you, and this email does not contain any legal advice for you. IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: In order to comply with the requirements imposed by the Internal Revenue Service, we inform you that any U.S. tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue code, or (ii) promoting, marketing, or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. From: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth SchwartzSent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 11:19 AMTo:
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Chapter 13--no proof of claim filed by student loan holder

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:10 pm
by Yahoo Bot

To somewhat hijack, or rather extend a thread, I'm thinking about proposing a plan that pays student loans outside the plan.
I know there is case law allowing that.
This is a Los Angeles case.
Has anyone done this successfully? What happens if they put in a Proof of Claim? Would I have to object to it?
Steve Lever

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Chapter 13--no proof of claim filed by student loan holder

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:27 am
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No. Debtor should file the claim on behalf of the creditor, presuming there is still time, just in case there is a change in financial circumstances later such that it is not 100% payout. Want that plan money going to student loan instead of that portion being divided up between dischargeable debts.
Mark Jessee
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On Feb 9, 2013, at 11:19 AM, "Kenneth Schwartz" wrote:
> Confirmed Plan (100%) provides for payment of a small student loan ($4,200). No claim has been filed. Client has the resources to pay outside of the Plan, but query, would the loan be discharged since it was to be paid in full, and the creditor failed to file a proof of claim?
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Chapter 13--no proof of claim filed by student loan holder

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:22 am
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Nope. Would survive because not otherwise dischargeable. File a claim on
behalf of the lender.
On Feb 9, 2013 11:19 AM, "Kenneth Schwartz"
wrote:
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> Confirmed Plan (100%) provides for payment of a small student loan
> ($4,200). No claim has been filed. Client has the resources to pay outside
> of the Plan, but query, would the loan be discharged since it was to be
> paid in full, and the creditor failed to file a proof of claim?
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Nope. Would survive because not otherwise dischargeable.On Feb 9, 2013 11:19 AM, "Kenneth Schwartz" <kennethjschwartz@yahoo.com> wrote:
Confirmed Plan (100%) provides for payment of a small student loan ($4,200). No claim has been filed. Client has the resources to pay outside of the Plan, but query, would the loan be discharged since it was to be paid in full, and the creditor failed to file a proof of claim?

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Chapter 13--no proof of claim filed by student loan holder

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:19 am
by Yahoo Bot

Confirmed Plan (100%) provides for payment of a small student loan ($4,200). No claim has been filed. Client has the resources to pay outside of the Plan, but query, would the loan be discharged since it was to be paid in full, and the creditor failed to file a proof of claim?

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