Central District Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney's Association

Steve,
Rebecca and Michael do a lot of these, you can rely on her advice.
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> On Jan 20, 2017, at 2:53 PM, Rebecca Tomilowitz rtomilowitz@aol.com [cdcbaa] wrote:
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> You will prepare a declaration re : unauthorized use of a social security number and identify all ssn numbers he used in the past. You will file that declaration as a separate document. Once filed, you will prepare a pleading entitled, "notice to creditors and credit reporting agencies re: debtor's use of an unauthorized ssn." You will serve that on all creditors and credit reporting agencies.
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> Rebecca Tomilowitz
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> Sent: Fri, Jan 20, 2017 2:36 pm
> Subject: [cdcbaa] Immigrant client using informally issued SSN
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> I took on a case where the Debtor used a social security number that was not necessarily authorized by the SSA, and all his debt is under it. He has a TIN that was issued by the IRS.
>
> Im caught on the horns of a dilemma for the most elementary aspects of filing a case. I dont think I can use the questionable SS # in the Voluntary Petition. Im thinking of using the TIN.
>
> However, his creditors need to identify him, so I have to get the me, but Im afraid if I put the whole # in I may be disclosing someone elses true SSN.
>
> I know these cases are common, yet Ive never confronted one.
>
> Can someone please enlighten me on how to proceed, or at least untangle some of the knot?
>
> Thank you
>
> Steve
>
>
> Law Offices of Steven B. Lever
>
> Steven B. Lever
> ( Tel. (562) 436-5456 ext. 1
> ( Fax (562) 485-6886
> * sblever@leverlaw.com
> www.leverlaw.com
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Rebecca and Michael do a lot of these, you can rely on her advice.DSent from my iPhoneOn Jan 20, 2017, at 2:53 PM, Rebecca Tomilowitz rtomilowitz@aol.com [cdcbaa] <cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

You will prepare a declaration re : unauthorized use of a social security number and identify all ssn numbers he used in the past. You will file that declaration as a separate document. Once filed, you will prepare a pleading entitled, "notice to creditors and credit reporting agencies re: debtor's use of an unauthorized ssn." You will serve that on all creditors and credit reporting agencies.
Rebecca Tomilowitz
rtomilowitz@aol.com
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To: cdcbaa <cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 20, 2017 2:36 pm
Subject: [cdcbaa] Immigrant client using informally issued SSN

I took on a case where the Debtor used a social security number that was not necessarily authorized by the SSA, and all his debt is under it. He has a TIN that was issued
by the IRS.

Im caught on the horns of a dilemma for the most elementary aspects of filing a case. I dont think I can use the questionable SS # in the Voluntary Petition. I of using the TIN.

However, his creditors need to identify him, so I have to get the SSN in front of them somehow. I thought about using the aka name, but Im afraid if I put the whole
# in I may be disclosing someone elses true SSN.

I know these cases are common, yet Ive never confronted one.

Can someone please enlighten me on how to proceed, or at least untangle some of the knot?

Thank you

Steve


Law Offices of Steven B. Lever

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It appears the use of a fake SSN starts off as a misdemeanor; and depending upon its use ratchets up to more serious crimes. Google SSA OIG for more.
The point; is it a good idea to file declarations in federal court that admit to some level of criminal act?
Best regards
Larry Webb
California Board of Legal Specialization
Certified Specialist in Bankruptcy Law
P 805.987.1400
F 805.987.2866
C 805.750.2150

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What is your authority for that?
On Jan 21, 2017 6:05 PM, "Rebecca Tomilowitz rtomilowitz@aol.com [cdcbaa]" wrote:
>
>
> You will prepare a declaration re : unauthorized use of a social security
> number and identify all ssn numbers he used in the past. You will file
> that declaration as a separate document. Once filed, you will prepare a
> pleading entitled, "notice to creditors and credit reporting agencies re:
> debtor's use of an unauthorized ssn." You will serve that on all creditors
> and credit reporting agencies.
>
>
> Rebecca Tomilowitz
> rtomilowitz@aol.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com>
> To: cdcbaa
> Sent: Fri, Jan 20, 2017 2:36 pm
> Subject: [cdcbaa] Immigrant client using informally issued SSN
>
>
> I took on a case where the Debtor used a social security number that was
> not necessarily authorized by the SSA, and all his debt is under it. He
> has a TIN that was issued by the IRS.
>
> Im caught on the horns of a dilemma for the most elementary aspects of
> filing a case. I dont think I can use the questionable SS # in the
> Voluntary Petition. Im thinking of using the TIN.
>
> However, his creditors need to identify him, so I have to get the > front of them somehow. I thought about using the aka name, but I> if I put the whole # in I may be disclosing someone elses true SSN.
>
> I know these cases are common, yet Ive never confronted one.
>
> Can someone please enlighten me on how to proceed, or at least untangle
> some of the knot?
>
> Thank you
>
> Steve
>
>
> Law Offices of Steven B. Lever
>
> Steven B. Lever
> ( Tel. (562) 436-5456 ext. 1
> ( Fax (562) 485-6886
> * sblever@leverlaw.com
> www.leverlaw.com
> ******************************************************
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> or disseminate it if you are not the addressee. If you
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What is your authority for that?
On Jan 21, 2017 6:05 PM, "Rebecca Tomilowitz rtomilowitz@aol.com [cdcbaa]" <cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
You will prepare a declaration re : unauthorized use of a social security number and identify all ssn numbers he used in the past. You will file that declaration as a separate document. Once filed, you will prepare a pleading entitled, "notice to creditors and credit reporting agencies re: debtor's use of an unauthorized ssn." You will serve that on all creditors and credit reporting agencies.
Rebecca Tomilowitz
rtomilowitz@aol.com
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Sounds like the fraud implications of using a fake SSN necessitate a
conversation with the potential client. If you include the fake SSN then it
might risk adverse action against the client. If you don't include it,
perhaps the creditors can look him up by name and identify him that way.
Sounds a bit sticky.
On Jan 20, 2017 2:40 PM, "'Steven B. Lever' sblever@leverlaw.com [cdcbaa]" wrote:
>
>
> I took on a case where the Debtor used a social security number that was
> not necessarily authorized by the SSA, and all his debt is under it. He
> has a TIN that was issued by the IRS.
>
>
>
> Im caught on the horns of a dilemma for the most elementary aspects of
> filing a case. I dont think I can use the questionable SS # in the
> Voluntary Petition. Im thinking of using the TIN.
>
>
>
> However, his creditors need to identify him, so I have to get the > front of them somehow. I thought about using the aka name, but I> if I put the whole # in I may be disclosing someone elses true SSN.
>
>
>
> I know these cases are common, yet Ive never confronted one.
>
>
>
> Can someone please enlighten me on how to proceed, or at least untangle
> some of the knot?
>
>
>
> Thank you
>
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
> Law Offices of Steven B. Lever
>
>
>
> Steven B. Lever
>
> ( Tel. (562) 436-5456 ext. 1
>
> ( Fax (562) 485-6886
>
> * sblever@leverlaw.com
>
> www.leverlaw.com
>
> ******************************************************
>
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Sounds like the fraud implications of using a fake SSN necessitate a conversation with the potential client. If you include the fake SSN then it might risk adverse action against the client. If you don't include it, perhaps the creditors can look him up by name and identify him that way.
Sounds a bit sticky.
On Jan 20, 2017 2
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You will prepare a declaration re : unauthorized use of a social security number and identify all ssn numbers he used in the past. You will file that declaration as a separate document. Once filed, you will prepare a pleading entitled, "notice to creditors and credit reporting agencies re: debtor's use of an unauthorized ssn." You will serve that on all creditors and credit reporting agencies.
Rebecca Tomilowitz
rtomilowitz@aol.com
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To: cdcbaa
Sent: Fri, Jan 20, 2017 2:36 pm
Subject: [cdcbaa] Immigrant client using informally issued SSN
I took on a case where the Debtor used a social security number that was not necessarily authorized by the SSA, and all his debt is under it. He has a TIN that was issued by the IRS.
Im caught on the horns of a dilemma for the most elementary aspects of filing a case. I dont think I can use the questionable SS # in the Voluntary Petition. Im thinking of using the TIN.
However, his creditors need to identify him, so I have to get the SSN in front of them somehow. I thought about using the aka name, but Im afraid if I put the whole # in I may be disclosing someone elses true SSN.
I know these cases are common, yet Ive never confronted one.
Can someone please enlighten me on how to proceed, or at least untangle some of the knot?
Thank you
Steve
Law Offices of Steven B. Lever
Steven B. Lever
(Tel. (562) 436-5456 ext. 1
(Fax (562) 485-6886
*sblever@leverlaw.com
www.leverlaw.com
******************************************************
This Internet e-mail contains confidential information
which is intended only for the addressee and which may
be privileged under applicable law. Do not read, copy
or disseminate it if you are not the addressee. If you
have received this message in error, please notify the
sender immediately and delete it. Thank you.
******************************************************
You will prepare a declaration re : unauthorized use of a social security number and identify all ssn numbers he used in the past. You will file that declaration as a separate document. Once filed, you will prepare a pleading entitled, "notice to creditors and credit reporting agencies re: debtor's use of an unauthorized ssn." You will serve that on all creditors and credit reporting agencies.
Rebecca Tomilowitz
rtomilowitz@aol.com
-----Original Message-----
s.com>
To: cdcbaa <cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 20, 2017 2:36 pm
Subject: [cdcbaa] Immigrant client using informally issued SSN

I took on a case where the Debtor used a social security number that was not necessarily authorized by the SSA, and all his debt is under it. He has a TIN that was issued
by the IRS.

Im caught on the horns of a dilemma for the most elementary aspects of filing a case. I dont think I can use the questionable SS # in the Voluntary Petition. I of using the TIN.

However, his creditors need to identify him, so I have to get the SSN in front of them somehow. I thought about using the aka name, but Im afraid if I put the whole
# in I may be disclosing someone elses true SSN.

I know these cases are common, yet Ive never confronted one.

Can someone please enlighten me on how to proceed, or at least untangle some of the knot?

Thank you

Steve


Law Offices of Steven B. Lever

Steven B. Lever
(
Tel. (562) 436-5456 ext. 1
(
Fax (562) 485-6886
*

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I took on a case where the Debtor used a social security number that was not necessarily authorized by the SSA, and all his debt is under it. He has a TIN that was issued by the IRS.
I'm caught on the horns of a dilemma for the most elementary aspects of filing a case. I don't think I can use the questionable SS # in the Voluntary Petition. I'm thinking of using the TIN.
However, his creditors need to identify him, so I have to get the "SSN" in front of them somehow. I thought about using the aka name, but I'm afraid if I put the whole # in I may be disclosing someone else's true SSN.
I know these cases are common, yet I've never confronted one.
Can someone please enlighten me on how to proceed, or at least untangle some of the knot?
Thank you
Steve
Law Offices of Steven B. Lever
Steven B. Lever
* Tel. (562) 436-5456 ext. 1
* Fax (562) 485-6886
* sblever@leverlaw.com
www.leverlaw.com
******************************************************
This Internet e-mail contains confidential information
which is intended only for the addressee and which may
be privileged under applicable law. Do not read, copy
or disseminate it if you are not the addressee. If you
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sender immediately and delete it. Thank you.
******************************************************
I took on a case where the Debtor used a social security number that was not necessarily authorized by the SSA, and all his debt is under it. He has a TIN that was issued
by the IRS.

I’m caught on the horns of a dilemma for the most elementary aspects of filing a case. I don’t think I ca
The post was migrated from Yahoo.