Central District Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney's Association

Tuan,
It is very important to file a fee application, if you are owed fees, in a
conversion from 13 to 7 scenario because if the CH 13 Trustee is holding
money, you will get it. Follow the local rules procedures under (q).
Sincerely,
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On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 4:39 PM, tuanl@stevelopezlaw.com [cdcbaa] wrote:
>
>
> Dear List,
>
> We had a few good MCLE's regarding Chap 13's lately. I remember that it
> was discussed that if a case is dismissed that a fee application must be
> filed. What happens though if the debtor is going to convert the case to
> Chap 7? Does a fee app need to be filed in that instance?
>
> Also, are any additional fees allowed to be charged to the debtor since an
> additional appearance will need to be made before the Chap 7 trustee for
> the new 341?
>
> Thanks,
> Tuan Le
>
>
>
>
Tuan,It is very important to file a fee application, if you are owed fees, in a conversion from 13 to 7 scenario because if the CH 13 Trustee is holding money, you will get it. Follow the local rules procedures under (q).
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Tuan
I am in the midst of converting at 13 to a 7. They have to pay the
difference between the 2 fees. You have to do a motion to convert unless
there is a dismissal pending. There are certain schedules and declarations
that must be up dated as well as the ch 7 means test. So there is some
work and of course a 341 hearing. So yes, you charge your client. I do
not charge the amount for a full ch 7 as there are fewer forms and work to
do, but I charge about about 1/2 to 2/3s of my regular Ch 7 fee (depending
on how much actual work is involved) - that is entirely up to you taking
into consideration your client's financial situation.. Debtors pay you
directly.
Good luck.
Craig
Craig J. Beauchamp, Esq.
Of Counsel
Law Offices of Victor W. Luke, APLC
(714) 835-5091
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On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 4:39 PM, tuanl@stevelopezlaw.com [cdcbaa] wrote:
>
>
> Dear List,
>
> We had a few good MCLE's regarding Chap 13's lately. I remember that it
> was discussed that if a case is dismissed that a fee application must be
> filed. What happens though if the debtor is going to convert the case to
> Chap 7? Does a fee app need to be filed in that instance?
>
> Also, are any additional fees allowed to be charged to the debtor since an
> additional appearance will need to be made before the Chap 7 trustee for
> the new 341?
>
> Thanks,
> Tuan Le
>
>
>
>
TuanI am in the midst of converting at 13 to a 7. They have to pay the difference between the 2 fees. You have to do a motion to convert unless there is a dismissal pending.ell as the ch 7 means test. So there is some work and of course a 341 hearing. So yes, you charge your client. I do not charge the amount for a full ch 7 as there are fewer forms and work to do, but I charge about about 1/2 to 2/3s of my regular Ch 7 fee (depending on how much actual work is involved) - that is entirely up to you taking into consideration your client's financial situation.. Debtors pay you directly.Good luck.CraigCraig J. Beauchamp, Esq.Of CounselLaw Offices of Victor W. Luke, APLC(714) 835-5091(714) 835-5763
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Ran into this issue a few weeks ago. I ended up filing a new B22A
because the case wasn't really the best one to take up to BAP.
However, have a look at 370 B.R. 639 from Judge Burns in New Jersey. I
think the case is very well reasoned and it finds that the Trustee
cannot demand a B22A on a conversion from 7 to 13.
>
> I've totally forgotten two points of the procedure for converting from
> Ch13 to Ch7:
>
>
>
> 1) Is it necessary to file a means test again with the B22A form?
>
> 2) If so is it OK to leave the mortgage payments if the Debtors
> plan to abandon their residence?
>
>
>
> (if so, there's no presumption of abuse).
>
>
>
> Gerald McNally
>
> McNally & Associates, P.C.
>
> 206 N. Jackson St. #100
>
> Glendale, CA 91206
>
> 818.507.5100
>

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I've totally forgotten two points of the procedure for converting from
Ch13 to Ch7:
1) Is it necessary to file a means test again with the B22A form?
2) If so is it OK to leave the mortgage payments if the Debtors
plan to abandon their residence?
(if so, there's no presumption of abuse).
Gerald McNally
McNally & Associates, P.C.
206 N. Jackson St. #100
Glendale, CA 91206
818.507.5100
I’ve totally forgotten two points of the procedure for
converting from Ch13 to Ch7:

1)
Is it necessary to file a means test again with the B22A
form?
2)
If so is it OK to leave the mortgage payments if the
Debtors plan to abandon their residence?

(if so, there’s no presumption of abuse).

Gerald McNally
McNally & Associates, P.C.
206 N. Jackson St. #100
Glendale, CA 91206
818.507.5100


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