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Attorney Bankruptcy

Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:30 pm
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Same answer. Client will only get the postpetition fees back if 1)
attorney has the ability to return the fees; and 2) attorney has the
willingness to return the fees. The bankruptcy court can help with the
willingness (motion to disgorge fees) and a review of the attorney's own
bankruptcy should yield some clues to if the attorney has the ability to
return the fees. It looks to me like the client would be an unsecured
creditor and only able to share in what was available to all other
unsecureds. Good luck.
*Link Schrader, Attorney*
Law Office of Link W. Schrader
Mail: P.O. Box 3723, Tustin, CA 92781
Office: 106 W. 4th Street, Suite #308, Santa Ana, CA 92701
Office: (714) 542-5922; Mobile/Text: (310) 413-6924
San Diego: (619) 952-8342; Fax: (310) 878-4158
www.schrader-law.com

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Attorney Bankruptcy

Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:16 pm
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Hi Link:
Thanks for the great answer.
What about Fees the attorney received post petition?
Thanks.
Catherine.
Law Office of Catherine Christiansen
17011 Beach Blvd. Ste 900, Huntington Beach, CA 92647
Tel: (714) 375-6651 Fax: (562) 490-8572
attorneychristiansen@gmail.com
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Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Attorney Bankruptcy
Hi Catherine,
1) What is the consequence of an attorney not seeking/obtaining employment in a chapter 11 case? The attorney cannot be paid from the estate. petition and the lack of an order approving employment is not equal to an order disgorging fees. To recover fees paid, the client would need to file a motion to disgorge fees pursuant to section 329. The client would need to show the fees paid were not reasonable, except that the attorney will not be allowed to keep postpetition fees absent an order employing the attorney, even if the fees paid were reasonable.
2) On what grounds would the client file a POC in the attorney's bankruptcy case? Unless there is an order to disgorge fees, or some other adjudication that the attorney owes money to the client, the client has at most a contingent, unliquidated claim. A non-dischargeability motion assumes that there is some debt not to be discharged. In this case there is not yet a debt owed the client. If there was a debt owed the client why would it be non-dischargeable? Fraud? How?
3) For what purpose would the client contact the Ch 7 trustee (the attorney's chapter 7 trustee)? To report unreported income? The U.S. Trustee might be interested if the attorney has a practice of defrauding clients, but I'm not sure that is the case here.
Summary: Although the client may be upset at the attorney and the attorney may not have followed the law, in order for the client to recover anything he or she would first have to obtain a judgment against the attorney or an order for the attorney to disgorge fees. This would likely be by motion in the case where the attorney took the improper fees. Of course the client would want to file something to stop the clock from running on the claim in the attorney's bankruptcy. Realistically, even if the client obtained an order disgorging fees (and paid counsel $1000+ for the motion) they might never recover from the attorney. However, the attorney might not practice bankruptcy law again unless the attorney met certain requirements imposed by the court. The attorney could be reported to the U.S. Trustee which may or may not take any action. The U.S. Trustee would probably keep a record, however, and oppose employment by attorney in future chapter
11 cases, if any.
Best Regards,
Link Schrader, Attorney
Law Office of Link W. Schrader
Mail: P.O. Box 3723, Tustin, CA 92781
Office: 106 W. 4th Street, Suite #308, Santa Ana, CA
92701
Office: (714) 542-5922; Mobile/Text: (310) 413-6924
San Diego: (619) 952-8342; Fax: (310) 878-4158
www.schrader-law.com

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Attorney Bankruptcy

Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:57 pm
by Yahoo Bot

Hi Catherine,
1) What is the consequence of an attorney not seeking/obtaining employment
in a chapter 11 case? The attorney cannot be paid from the estate. This
does not mean the attorney is not able to keep fees received prepetition
and the lack of an order approving employment is not equal to an order
disgorging fees. To recover fees paid, the client would need to file a
motion to disgorge fees pursuant to section 329. The client would need to
show the fees paid were not reasonable, except that the attorney will not
be allowed to keep postpetition fees absent an order employing the
attorney, even if the fees paid were reasonable.
2) On what grounds would the client file a POC in the attorney's bankruptcy
case? Unless there is an order to disgorge fees, or some other
adjudication that the attorney owes money to the client, the client has at
most a contingent, unliquidated claim. A non-dischargeability motion
assumes that there is some debt not to be discharged. In this case there
is not yet a debt owed the client. If there was a debt owed the client why
would it be non-dischargeable? Fraud? How?
3) For what purpose would the client contact the Ch 7 trustee (the
attorney's chapter 7 trustee)? To report unreported income? The U.S.
Trustee might be interested if the attorney has a practice of defrauding
clients, but I'm not sure that is the case here.
Summary: Although the client may be upset at the attorney and the attorney
may not have followed the law, in order for the client to recover anything
he or she would first have to obtain a judgment against the attorney or an
order for the attorney to disgorge fees. This would likely be by motion in
the case where the attorney took the improper fees. Of course the client
would want to file something to stop the clock from running on the claim in
the attorney's bankruptcy. Realistically, even if the client obtained an
order disgorging fees (and paid counsel $1000+ for the motion) they might
never recover from the attorney. However, the attorney might not practice
bankruptcy law again unless the attorney met certain requirements imposed
by the court. The attorney could be reported to the U.S. Trustee which may
or may not take any action. The U.S. Trustee would probably keep a record,
however, and oppose employment by attorney in future chapter 11 cases, if
any.
Best Regards,
*Link Schrader, Attorney*
Law Office of Link W. Schrader
Mail: P.O. Box 3723, Tustin, CA 92781
Office: 106 W. 4th Street, Suite #308, Santa Ana, CA 92701
Office: (714) 542-5922; Mobile/Text: (310) 413-6924
San Diego: (619) 952-8342; Fax: (310) 878-4158
www.schrader-law.com

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Attorney Bankruptcy

Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:32 pm
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Attorney files bankruptcy. Almost 1 year prior to the filing of the attorneys bankruptcy, the attorney filed chapter 11 case for client and did not obtain court approval for employment. What happens to fees client paid?ient needs to file adversary action for nondischargeablity? Client needs to contact Ch 7 Trustee?
Law Office of Catherine Christiansen
17011 Beach Blvd. Ste 900, Huntington Beach, CA 92647
Tel: (714) 375-6651 Fax: (562) 490-8572
attorneychristiansen@gmail.com

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