Central District Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney's Association

Just curious. Has any CDCA Judge granted the UST's motion ?
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To: cdcbaa
Sent: Thu, Jun 18, 2015 3:57 pm
Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Non-consumer debt case
Yes. That's why they seek Ch. 11 under 706(b).
On 6/18/2015 3:54 PM, mitnicklaw@aol.com [cdcbaa] wrote: How does that work when the debtor must consent, per 706(c), to conversion to chapter 13 ? Is UST really seeking conversion to Chapter 11 under Section 706(b)?
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I found it. They are bringing under 706(b). The OUST doesn't have much ammunition under 707(a), so they have resorted to 706(b). As I said, it's very problematic and if that happens, you need to handle it carefully because one of these will end up on appeal somewhere. --
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There was a recent case, and I can't find it now, but the OUST has started attempting to force conversion to Chapter 11 in these cases under a certain Code Section. I can't find it right now though. It's a very problematic pursuit since it implicates obvious Constitutional issues. On 6/18/2015 2:38 PM, Shannon Doyle sdoyle@ebankruptcyassistants.com [cdcbaa] wrote:
Debtor has primarily business debt so the Means Test is irrelevant; however debtor pays $1250 + month for tuition and housing for his daughter to attend college. Will this be an issue on Sched J? Shannon A. Doyle Attorney | Virtual Bankruptcy Assistant Phone: 855-378-4080 Fax: 562-249-8435
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How does that work when the debtor must consent, per 706(c), to conversion to chapter 13 ? Is UST really seeking conversion to Chapter 11 under Section 706(b)?
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To: cdcbaa
Sent: Thu, Jun 18, 2015 3:41 pm
Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Non-consumer debt case
I found it. They are bringing under 706(b). The OUST doesn't have much ammunition under 707(a), so they have resorted to 706(b). As I said, it's very problematic and if that happens, you need to handle it carefully because one of these will end up on appeal somewhere.
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On 6/18/2015 3:37 PM, 'Mark J. Markus' bklawr@yahoo.com [cdcbaa] wrote:
There was a recent case, and I can't find it now, but the OUST has started attempting to force conversion to Chapter 11 in these cases under a certain Code Section. I can't find it right now though. It's a very problematic pursuit since it implicates obvious Constitutional issues.
On 6/18/2015 2:38 PM, Shannon Doyle sdoyle@ebankruptcyassistants.com [cdcbaa] wrote:
Debtor has primarily business debt so the Means Test is irrelevant; however debtor pays $1250 + month for tuition and housing for his daughter to attend college. Will this be an issue on Sched J?
Shannon A. Doyle
Attorney | Virtual Bankruptcy Assistant
Phone: 855-378-4080
Fax: 562-249-8435
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Mark J. Markus
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How does that work when the debtor must consent, per 706(c), to conversion to chapter 13 ? Is UST really seeking conversion to Chapter 11 under Section 706(b)?
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I found it. They are bringing under 706(b). The OUST doesn't have much ammunition under 707(a), so they have resorted to 706(b). As I said, it's very problematic and if that happens, you need to handle it carefully because one of these will end up on appeal somewhere.
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On 6/18/2015 3:37 PM, 'Mark J. Markus'
bklawr@yahoo.com [cdcbaa] wrote:
There was a recent case, and I can't find it now, but the OUST has started attempting to force conversion to Chapter 11 in these cases under a certain Code Section. I can't find it right now though. It's a very problematic pursuit since it implicates obvious Constitutional issues.



On 6/18/2015 2:38 PM, Shannon Doyle
sdoyle@ebankruptcyassistants.com [cdcbaa] wrote:
Debtor has primarily business debt so the Means Test is irrelevant; however debtor pays $1250 + month for tuition and housing for his daughter to attend college. Will this be an issue on Sched J?


Shannon A. Doyle
Attorney | Virtual Bankruptcy Assistant
Phone: 855-378-4080
Fax: 562-249-8435

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In re Perlin, 497 F.3d 364 (3rd Cir. August, 2007)
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On Thursday, June 18, 2015 2:38 PM, "Shannon Doyle sdoyle@ebankruptcyassistants.com [cdcbaa]" wrote:
Debtor has primarily business debt so the Means Test is irrelevant; however debtor pays $1250 + month for tuition and housing for his daughter to attend college. Will this be an issue on Sched J? | Shannon A. Doyle Attorney | Virtual Bankruptcy Assistant Phone: 855-378-4080 Fax: 562-249-8435 |

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In a message dated 5/8/2010 6:26:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
easky1@yahoo.com writes:
Think gambling is a consumer pleasure, unless client is a professional
gambler.
Dennis McGoldrick
350 S. Crenshaw Bl., #A207B
Torrance, CA 90503
On May 7, 2010, at 11:19 AM, _mitnicklaw@aol.mit_
(mailto:mitnicklaw@aol.com) wrote:
PC chapter 7 client has cc debt that mostly arises from gambling that
comprises more than 50% of the total debt. Leaving aside the host of other
issues, would it be wrong to file this case as a non-consumer debt case ?
Dennis-
While I tend to agree, the "profit motive" factor seems to blur the lines when you compare gambling to pay your bills to investing in hedge funds.
In a message dated 5/8/2010 6:26:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
easky1@yahoo.com writes:


Think gambling is a consumer pleasure, unless client is a professional
gambler.Dennis McGoldrick
350 S. Crenshaw Bl., #A207B
Torrance, CA 90503
On May 7, 2010, at 11:19 AM, mitnicklaw@aol.com
wrote:





PC chapter 7 client has cc debt that mostly arises from gambling that
comprises more than 50% of the total debt. Leaving aside the host of
other issues, would it be wrong to file this case as a non-consumer debt
case ?
Dennis-

While I tend to agree, the "profit motive" factor seems to blur the lines
when you compare gambling to pay your bills to investing in hedge funds.


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I have met individuals in Beverly Hills bars who told me, after a few
drinks, that for them the repeating cycles of marriage, divorce, &
alimony have been a veritable "career ladder" which they have been
climbing. They refer to this as "divorcing well," as in "I divorced
well, so I don't have to work anymore."
Jokes aside, I think an argument can be made that whenever people are
fighting over money or property, whether in a divorce or personal
injury action, the attorney fee is an investment that is hoped to
bring financial rewards. Thus the attorney fee debt incurred in
pursued of an advantageous ruling on the issue of support or property
division is arguably non-consumer. On the other hand, attorney fee
debt incurred in family court litigation over child custody and
visitation is purely family should be clearly consumer debt.
Alik Segal
On 5/7/10, vicki temkin wrote:
> I'm not an expert, but I agree with Pat and David. If a divorce is NOT for
> a personal or family reason, than what is it for? I'm sympathetic to the
> wife and many divorce atty's rake in the megabucks, but it would be hard to
> argue it's not consumer debt.
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> Vicki L. Temkin Law Office of Vicki L. Temkin 15030 Ventura Blvd.,
> Ste. 19-780 Sherman Oaks, Ca 91403 Ph: (818) 501-4658 / Fx: (818)
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> Subject: RE: [cdcbaa] Re: non-consumer debt case
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, May 7, 2010, 4:30 PM
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> David A.
> Tilem
> Certified Bankruptcy
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> Kenneth Jay Schwartz, Esq.
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> Larry Simons
> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 2:34 PM
> To:
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> Subject: RE: [cdcbaa] Re: non-consumer debt
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> owes $100K to her divorce attorney. Just wondering if that debt has to
> be classified as consumer debt. Any thoughts?
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> cdcbaa@yahoogroups. com [mailto: cdcbaa@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of
> jonhayes6666
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Alik.Segal@gmail.com
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Cal. CD, Los Angeles

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Think gambling is a consumer pleasure, unless client is a professional gambler.
Dennis McGoldrick
350 S. Crenshaw Bl., #A207B
Torrance, CA 90503
On May 7, 2010, at 11:19 AM, mitnicklaw@aol.com wrote:
PC chapter 7 client has cc debt that mostly arises from gambling that comprises more than 50% of the total debt. Leaving aside the host of other issues, would it be wrong to file this case as a non-consumer debt case ?
Think gambling is a consumer pleasure, unless client is a professional gambler.Dennis McGoldrick350 S. Crenshaw Bl., #A207BTorrance, CA 90503On May 7, 2010, at 11:19 AM, mitnicklaw@aol.com wrote:


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I'm not an expert, but I agree with Pat and David. If a divorce is NOT for a personal or family reason, than what is it for? I'm sympathetic to the wife and many divorce atty's rake in the megabucks, but it would be hard to argue it's not consumer debt.
Vicki L. Temkin Law Office of Vicki L. Temkin 15030 Ventura Blvd., Ste. 19-780 Sherman Oaks, Ca 91403

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In my typical contrarian fashion, I believe that such a debt is primarily
for a family or household purpose. Hard to argue that fighting over family
status and assets is NOT for a family purpose.
David A. Tilem
Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*
Law Offices of David A. Tilem (a debt relief agency)
206 N. Jackson Street, #201, Glendale, CA 91206
Tel: 818-507-6000 Fax: 818-507-6800
* Bankruptcy specialist cert. by State Bar of CA Bd of Legal
Specialization.
Kenneth Jay Schwartz
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 3:47 PM
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Re: non-consumer debt case
I would take the position that it is not incurred primarily for a personal,
family, or household purpose.
Kenneth Jay Schwartz, Esq.
LAW OFFICE OF KENNETH JAY SCHWARTZ
21031 Ventura Boulevard, 12th Floor
Woodland Hills, California 91364-2203
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As with many things, it is probably fact dependent in each case
Kenneth Jay Schwartz, Esq.
LAW OFFICE OF KENNETH JAY SCHWARTZ
21031 Ventura Boulevard, 12th Floor
Woodland Hills, California 91364-2203
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To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, May 7, 2010 4:04:42 PM
Subject: RE: [cdcbaa] Re: non-consumer debt case
101(8) defines consumer debt as debt
incurred by an individual for a personal, family, or household purpose.the land of plain meaning, I think a divorce attorney is hired for a personal
purpose, not a business purpose.
If you have any questions or
concerns, please contact me.
Pat
Patrick T. Green, Esq.
Fitzgerald & Green
Attorneys at Law
1010 E. Union Street
Suite 206
Pasadena, CA 91106
Tel: 626-449-8433
Fax: 626-449-0565
pat@fitzgreenlaw. com
From:cdcbaa@yahoogroups. com [mailto:cdcbaa@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Larry
Simons
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 2:34 PM
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [cdcbaa] Re: non-consumer debt case
I have a
client that owes $100K to her divorce attorney. Just wondering if that
debt has to be classified as consumer debt. Any thoughts?
________________________________
From:cdcbaa@yahoogroups. com
[mailto:cdcbaa@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of jonhayes6666
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 11:26 AM
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [cdcbaa] Re: non-consumer debt case
I'll help with the appeal.
mitnicklaw@. .. wrote:
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> PC chapter 7 client has cc debt that mostly arises from gambling that
> comprises more than 50% of the total debt. Leaving aside the host of other
> issues, would it be wrong to file this case as a non-consumer debt case ?
>
As with many things, it is probably fact dependent in each case Kenneth Jay Schwartz, Esq.LAW OFFICE OF KENNETH JAY SCHWARTZ21031 Ventura Boulevard, 12th FloorWoodland Hills, California 91364-2203Telephone: (818) 226-1205Facsimile: (818) 226-1213THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS E-MAIL IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE PERSONAL AND CONFIDENTIAL USE OF THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENT(S) NAMED ABOVE. THIS MESSAGE MAY BE AN ATTORNEY-CLIENT COMMUNICATION, AND, AS SUCH, IS PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL. IF THE READER OF THIS MESSAGE IS NOT THE INTENDED RECIPIENT OR AN AGENT RESPONSIBLE FOR DELIVERING IT TO THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENT, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED THAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS E-MAIL IN ERROR, AND THAT ANY REVIEW, DISSEMINATION,
DISTRIBUTION OR COPYING OF THIS MESSAGE IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS COMMUNICATION IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY US IMMEDIATELY. THANK YOU.From: Patrick Green <pat@fitzgreenlaw.com>To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, May 7, 2010 4:04:42 PMSubject: RE: [cdcbaa] Re: non-consumer debt case

101(8) defines consumer debt as debt
incurred by an individual for a personal, family, or household purpose.the land of plain meaning, I think a divorce attorney is hired for a personal
purpose, not a business purpose.

If you have any questions or
concerns, please contact me.

Pat

Patrick T. Green, Esq.
Fitzgerald & Green
Attorneys at Law
1010 E. Union Street
Suite 206
Pasadena, CA 91106
Tel: 626-449-8433
Fax: 626-449-0565
pat@fitzgreenlaw. com


From:
cdcbaa@yahoogroups. com [mailto:cdcbaa@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Larry
Simons
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 2:34 PM
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [cdcbaa] Re: non-consumer debt case


I have a
client that owes $100K to her divorce attorney. Just wondering if that
debt has to be classified as consumer debt. Any thoughts?

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I'll help with the appeal.
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mitnicklaw@. .. wrote:
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> PC chapter 7 client has cc debt that mostly arises from gambling that
> comprises more than 50% of the total debt. Leaving aside the host of other
> issues, would it be wrong to file this case as a non-consumer debt case ?
>

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The modifier is "primarily". In many instances in family law matters, it is not primarily for personal, family or household purposes
Kenneth Jay Schwartz, Esq.
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Subject: RE: [cdcbaa] Re: non-consumer debt case
101(8) defines consumer debt as debt
incurred by an individual for a personal, family, or household purpose.the land of plain meaning, I think a divorce attorney is hired for a personal
purpose, not a business purpose.
If you have any questions or
concerns, please contact me.
Pat
Patrick T. Green, Esq.
Fitzgerald & Green
Attorneys at Law
1010 E. Union Street
Suite 206
Pasadena, CA 91106
Tel: 626-449-8433
Fax: 626-449-0565
pat@fitzgreenlaw. com
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I have a
client that owes $100K to her divorce attorney. Just wondering if that
debt has to be classified as consumer debt. Any thoughts?
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I'll help with the appeal.
mitnicklaw@. .. wrote:
>
> PC chapter 7 client has cc debt that mostly arises from gambling that
> comprises more than 50% of the total debt. Leaving aside the host of other
> issues, would it be wrong to file this case as a non-consumer debt case ?
>
The modifier is "primarily". In many instances in family law matters, it is not primarily for personal, family or household purposes Kenneth Jay Schwartz, Esq.LAW OFFICE OF KENNETH JAY SCHWARTZ21031 Ventura Boulevard, 12th FloorWoodland Hills, California 91364-2203Telephone: (818) 226-1205Facsimile: (818) 226-1213THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS E-MAIL IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE PERSONAL AND CONFIDENTIAL USE OF THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENT(S) NAMED ABOVE. THIS MESSAGE MAY BE AN ATTORNEY-CLIENT COMMUNICATION, AND, AS SUCH, IS PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL. IF THE READER OF THIS MESSAGE IS NOT THE INTENDED RECIPIENT OR AN AGENT RESPONSIBLE FOR DELIVERING IT TO THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENT, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED THAT YOU
HAVE RECEIVED THIS E-MAIL IN ERROR, AND THAT ANY REVIEW, DISSEMINATION, DISTRIBUTION OR COPYING OF THIS MESSAGE IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS COMMUNICATION IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY US IMMEDIATELY. THANK YOU.
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