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Dissolving a corporation

Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 12:23 am
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I agree it is common for many corporations to just abandon operations and ultimately be suspended by the Secretary of State, but there certainly is no
provision in California law that intentionally encourages this procedure. Otherwise, I do not know where you are obtaining your information.
I suggest you review the Domestic Stock Corporation Certificate of
Dissolution (DISS STK) Paragraph 3 which requires only one of the following
regarding debts and liabilities:
Box 1 The corporation's known debts and liabilities have been actually
paid.
Box 2 The Corporation's known debts and liabilities have been paid as faras its assets permit.
Box 3 The corporations's known debts and liabilities have been adequatelyprovided for by their assumption and the name and address of the assumer
is____
Box 4... "The cooperation's known debts and liabilities have been
adequately provided for as far as its assets permitted.
Box 5 The corporation never incurred any known debts or liabilities.
This is derived from Corporation's Code Section 1905. (a):
"When a corporation has been completely wound up without
court proceedings therefor, a majority of the directors then in
office shall sign and verify a certificate of dissolution stating:
(1) That the corporation has been completely wound up.
(2) That its known debts and liabilities have been actually paid,
or adequately provided for, or paid or adequately provided for as far
as its assets permitted, or that it has incurred no known debts or
liabilities, as the case may be. If there are known debts or
liabilities for payment of which adequate provision has been made,
the certificate shall state what provision has been made, setting
forth the name and address of the corporation, person or governmental
agency that has assumed or guaranteed the payment, or the name and
address of the depositary with which deposit has been made or any
other information that may be necessary to enable the creditor or
other person to whom payment is to be made to appear and claim
payment of the debt or liability.
(3) That its known assets have been distributed to the persons
entitled thereto or that it acquired no known assets, as the case may
be.
(4) That the corporation is dissolved.
(5) If no certificate of election is to be filed pursuant to
subdivision (c) of Section 1901, that the election to dissolve was
made by the vote of all the outstanding shares.
(6) That a final franchise tax return, as described by Section
23332 of the Revenue and Taxation Code, has been or will be filed
with the Franchise Tax Board, as required under Part 10.2 (commencing
with Section 18401) of Division 2 of the Revenue and Taxation Code.
(b) The certificate of dissolution shall be filed with the
Secretary of State and thereupon the corporate powers, rights, and
privileges of the corporation shall cease. The Secretary of State
shall notify the Franchise Tax Board of the dissolution."
See also Rutter Corporations California Practice Guide by Freidman 8:492 "Its is the responsibility of the directors to pay or make provision for
payment of the corporate debts before distributing assets to the
shareholders. If the directors do so, the corporate distributions will be treated as
an illegal dividend and directors approving may be held personally liable to
creditors...." Thus the directors are only liable when assets are
distributed to the shareholders instead of to creditors.
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In a message dated 12/13/2013 7:52:37 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
lschrader@schrader-law.com writes:
To "dissolve" a corporation in California requires that the corporation'sdebts be provided for (ie. all paid). What normally happens is that the
corporation stops doing business, is suspended, and just becomes a shell. Take a look at the Domestic Stock Corporation Dissolution Filing
Requirements. #2 is "The corporation has no debts and liabilities (other than tax
liability)" #3 requires taxes to be paid or assumed.
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Dissolving a corporation

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:52 pm
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To "dissolve" a corporation in California requires that the corporation's
debts be provided for (ie. all paid). What normally happens is that the
corporation stops doing business, is suspended, and just becomes a shell.
Take a look at the Domestic Stock Corporation Dissolution Filing
Requirements. #2 is "The corporation has no debts and liabilities (other
than tax liability)" #3 requires taxes to be paid or assumed.
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Dissolving a corporation

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:15 pm
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No advantage I can see.
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Bert Briones wrote:
>
>
> The corporation here has about $300,000 in debt. At least half of it has
> personal guarantees and the assets have all been liquidated with net
> proceeds of about $40,000. So if we send all the creditors a check for
> approximately 11% of the balances they will do better than in Chapter 7
> because there will no trustee fees. Does anyone see any advantage in filing
> Chapter 7 and/or dissolving the corporation? Thanks to all for your
> imput, I appreciate it!
>
>
> On Thursday, December 12, 2013 5:06 PM, cdcbaa
> wrote:
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> In Ca, the corp dissolution forms required someone to take
> responsibility for the corp debts. I don't dissolve unless the individual
> debtor wants to take the debts into a 13 and keep the business.
>
> d
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> Dennis McGoldrick, 350 S. Crenshaw Bl., #A207B, Torrance, Ca 90503
> 310-328-1001-voice
> [image: cid:part1.03050307.05030101@bklaw.com]
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> On Dec 12, 2013, at 1:49 PM, "Leventhal Law Group, P.C."
> wrote:
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>
> Why dissolve and why file unless their is personal liability. Corps do
> not not get a discharge.
>
>
> Jonathan Leventhal, Esq..
> Leventhal Law Group, P.C.
> 818-347-5800
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> -------- Original message --------
> Date:12/12/2013 1:25 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [cdcbaa] Dissolving a corporation
>
>
> I have a small business case where debtor/corporation will be filing under
> Chapter 7 and also closing the business. Debtor wants to dissolve the
> corporation. The question is the timing of dissolving the
> corporation. They will not be forming another entity which might operate
> in the same industry. Therefore, I see no alter-ego isssues. They want
> to dissolve now (before year end) and file the Chapter 7 case early next
> year. Are there any problems with this sequence?
>
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No advantage I can see.On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Bert Briones <bertbri@ymail.com> wrote:
The corporation here has about $300,000 in debt. At least half of it has personal guarantees and the assets have all been liquidated with net proceeds of about $40,000. So if we send all the creditors a check for approximately 11% of the balances they will do better than in Chapter 7 because there will no trustee fees. Does anyone see any advantage infiling Chapter 7 and/or dissolving the corporation? Thanks to all for your imput, I appreciate it!

On Thursday, December 12, 2013 5:06 PM, cdcbaa <cdcbaamailbox@gmail.com> wrote:
In Ca, the corp dissolution forms required someone to take responsibility for the corp debts. I don't dissolve unless the individual debtor wants to take the debts into a 13 and keep the business.
dDennis McGoldrick, 350 S. Crenshaw Bl., #A207B, Torrance, Ca 90503 310-328-1001-voice

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Dissolving a corporation

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:12 pm
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The corporation here has about $300,000 in debt. At least half of it has personal guarantees and the assets have all been liquidated with net proceeds of about $40,000. So if we send all the creditors a check for approximately 11% of the balances they will do better than in Chapter 7 because there will no trustee fees. Does anyone see any advantage infiling Chapter 7 and/or dissolving the corporation? Thanks to all for your imput, I appreciate it!
On Thursday, December 12, 2013 5:06 PM, cdcbaa wrote:
In Ca, the corp dissolution forms required someone to take responsibility for the corp debts. I don't dissolve unless the individual debtor wants to take the debts into a 13 and keep the business.
d
Dennis McGoldrick, 350 S. Crenshaw Bl., #A207B, Torrance, Ca 90503 310-328-1001-voice
On Dec 12, 2013, at 1:49 PM, "Leventhal Law Group, P.C." wrote:
>Why dissolve and why file unless their is personal liability. Corps do not not get a discharge.
>
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Jonathan Leventhal, Esq..
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>-------- Original message --------
>Date:12/12/2013 1:25 PM (GMT-08:00)
>To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [cdcbaa] Dissolving a corporation
>
>
>
>I have a small business case where debtor/corporation will be filing under Chapter 7 and also closing the business. Debtor wants to dissolve the corporation. The question is the timing of dissolving the corporation.They will not be forming another entity which might operate in the same industry. Therefore, I see no alter-ego isssues.They want to dissolve now (before year end) and file the Chapter 7 case early next year. Are there any problems with this sequence?

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Dissolving a corporation

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 5:06 pm
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In Ca, the corp dissolution forms required someone to take responsibility for the corp debts. I don't dissolve unless the individual debtor wants to take the debts into a 13 and keep the business.
d
Dennis McGoldrick, 350 S. Crenshaw Bl., #A207B, Torrance, Ca 90503 310-328-1001-voice
> On Dec 12, 2013, at 1:49 PM, "Leventhal Law Group, P.C." wrote:
>
> Why dissolve and why file unless their is personal liability. Corps do not not get a discharge.
>
>
> Jonathan Leventhal, Esq..
> Leventhal Law Group, P.C.
> 818-347-5800
>
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> Leventhal Law Group, P.C. is a Debt Relief Agency under federal law.
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> -------- Original message --------
> Date:12/12/2013 1:25 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [cdcbaa] Dissolving a corporation
>
>
> I have a small business case where debtor/corporation will be filing under Chapter 7 and also closing the business. Debtor wants to dissolve the corporation. The question is the timing of dissolving the corporation. They will not be forming another entity which might operate in the same industry. Therefore, I see no alter-ego isssues. They want to dissolve now (before year end) and file the Chapter 7 case early next year. Are there any problems with this sequence?
>
>

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Dissolving a corporation

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:54 pm
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Usually there is no point to filing a Corporate Chapter 7 unless it is
necessary to effectuate an orderly dissolution. What is the need to file for
bankruptcy if it can wind up and dissolve under CA law in an orderly
fashion? There is no discharge issued in a corporate chapter 7 case.
Furthermore, in order to wind up and dissolve under CA law all assets need to be
liquidated and distributed to creditors to the extent available before thecorporation can be dissolved. If that is done what need is there for a
subsequent bankruptcy, presuming a dissolved corporation even has standing to file
a Chapter 7 case, which I don't think it does.
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In a message dated 12/12/2013 1:25:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
bertbri@ymail.com writes:
I have a small business case where debtor/corporation will be filing under Chapter 7 and also closing the business. Debtor wants to dissolve the
corporation. The question is the timing of dissolving the corporation. They
will not be forming another entity which might operate in the same industry.
Therefore, I see no alter-ego isssues. They want to dissolve now (before
year end) and file the Chapter 7 case early next year. Are there any
problems with this sequence?
Usually there is no point to filing a Corporate Chapter 7 unless it isnecessary to effectuate an orderly dissolution. What is the need to file
for bankruptcy if it can wind up and dissolve under CA law in an orderly
fashion? There is no discharge issued in a corporate chapter 7
case. Furthermore, in order to wind up and dissolve under CA law all
assets need to be liquidated and distributed to creditors to the extent
available before the corporation can be dissolved. If that is done what
need is there for a subsequent bankruptcy, presuming a dissolved corporation
even has standing to file a Chapter 7 case, which I don't think it does.

Mark T.
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In a message dated 12/12/2013 1:25:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
bertbri@ymail.com writes:



I have a small business case where debtor/corporation will be filing under
Chapter 7 and also closing the business. Debtor wants to dissolve the
corporation. The question is the timing of dissolving the
corporation. They will not be forming another entity which might operate
in the same industry. Therefore, I see no alter-ego isssues. They want to dissolve now (before year end) and
file the Chapter 7 case early next year. Are there any problems
with this sequence?

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Dissolving a corporation

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:33 pm
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This is not the way I would do it. I am of the understanding that the corporation needs to be in good standing so that the creditors do not pierce the corporate veil.
Desiree Causey, Esq.
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Huntington Beach, CA 92647
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