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Does UST pay the increased filing fee and fund chapter 11 attorney fees too?
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> On Oct 18, 2015, at 12:46 PM, 'Mark J. Markus' bklawr@yahoo.com [cdcbaa] wrote:
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> Steve,
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> They've been threatening this for years, and I think in other parts of the country it has been attempted.
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> It is unconstitutional.
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> If they file the Motion, I would strongly urge you to get NACBA involved to assist in preparing oppositions (and make sure you make a proper record) and if somehow the court grants the motion, you need to get them involved in an appeal. This needs to be squashed, and squashed hard at the outset.
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>> On 10/16/2015 5:56 PM, 'Steven B. Lever' sblever@leverlaw.com [cdcbaa] wrote:
>> I thought this community of bankruptcy scholars may be interested in this possible scenario I could be dealing with.
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>> I filed a Chapter 7 in Riverside and its mostly all tax debt. So 11 U.S.C. 707(b) does not apply. Debtors earn $20,000 gross per year. They wouldnt pass the means test if they had to take it.
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>> UST asks why with the large income they dont convert to Chapter 13. I explain as per above they dont have to.
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>> They do discovery requests and I ask if they reject my 11 U.S.C. 707(b) analysis as this is not a consumer case which is a requirement under 11 U.S.C. 707(b) motion.
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>> Turns out they agree with my analysis under 707(b), but are considering an 11 U.S.C. 706(b) motion to convert to Chapter 11, which can be brought by any party in interest. That is opposed to an 11 U.S.C. 706(a) conversion to Chapter 13 which can only be brought by the Debtor.
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>> Frankly, I never thought of that or ever heard of that tactic.
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>> Im mostly mentioning this scenario because it expanded my horizons on the use of the Bankruptcy Code.
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>> It seems odd to me that Debtors who would qualify for Chapter 13 (they do) and could not be forced into a 13 could be forced into an 11. WJ is the judge so that is a consideration, but it seems like an end run around the abuse standards in the Code.
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>> If anyone wants to comment on or off list Id be interested in any comments, but this is really posted as something that may be of interest. I presume no one has actually litigated this, but if you have Id definitely like to hear from you.
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>> Thank you.
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>> Steve
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I thought this community of bankruptcy scholars may be interested in this possible scenario I could be dealing with.
I filed a Chapter 7 in Riverside and it's mostly all tax debt. So 11 U.S.C. 707(b) does not apply. Debtor's earn $20,000 gross per year. They wouldn't pass the means test if they had to take it.
UST asks why with the large income they don't convert to Chapter 13. I explain as per above they don't have to.
They do discovery requests and I ask if they reject my 11 U.S.C. 707(b) analysis as this is not a consumer case which is a requirement under 11 U.S.C. 707(b) motion.
Turns out they agree with my analysis under 707(b), but are considering an 11 U.S.C. 706(b) motion to convert to Chapter 11, which can be brought by any party in interest. That is opposed to an 11 U.S.C. 706(a) conversion to Chapter 13 which can only be brought by the Debtor.
Frankly, I never thought of that or ever heard of that tactic.
I'm mostly mentioning this scenario because it expanded my horizons on the use of the Bankruptcy Code.
It seems odd to me that Debtors who would qualify for Chapter 13 (they do) and could not be forced into a 13 could be forced into an 11. WJ is the judge so that is a consideration, but it seems like an end run around the abuse standards in the Code.
If anyone wants to comment on or off list I'd be interested in any comments, but this is really posted as something that may be of interest. I presume no one has actually litigated this, but if you have I'd definitely like to hear from you.
Thank you.
Steve
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I thought this community of bankruptcy scholars may be interested in this possible scenario I could be dealing with.

I filed a Chapter 7 in Riverside and it’s mostly all tax debt. So 11 U.S.C. 707(b) does not apply. Debtor’s earn $20,000 gross per year. They wouldn’t pass the means
test if they had to take it.

UST asks why with the large income they don’t convert to Chapter 13. I explain as per above they don’t have to.

They do discovery requests and I ask if they reject my 11 U.S.C. 707(b) analysis as this is not a consumer case which is a requirement under 11 U.S.C. 707(b) motion.

Turns out they agree with my analysis under 707(b), but are considering an 11 U.S.C. 706(b) motion to convert to Chapter 11, which can be brought by any party in interest.
That is opposed to an 11 U.S.C. 706(a) conversion to Chapter 13 which can only be brought by the Debtor.

Frankly, I never thought of that or ever heard of that tactic.

I’m mostly mentioning this scenario because it expanded my horizons on the use of the Bankruptcy Code.

It seems odd to me that Debtors who would qualify for Chapter 13 (they do) and could not be forced into a 13 could be forced into an 11. WJ is the judge so that is a consideration,
but it seems like an end run around the abuse standards in the Code.

If anyone wants to comment on or off list I’d be interested in any comments, but this is really posted as something that may be of interest. I presume no one has actually
litigated this, but if you have I’d definitely like to hear from you.

Thank you.

Steve


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