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Treatment of HOA lien in Plan

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:59 am
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This is great. But Judge Kaufman is of a different opinion. I settled my
matter but would have probably appealed.

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Treatment of HOA lien in Plan

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:04 pm
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We've done it several times (under LAM) and never had a problem. In two occasions (Ahart in SF and Smith in SA) the motions were opposed (HOA citing Foster). We won on both occasions with court finding Foster has nothing to do with this issue.

Here's the Santa Ana ruling:
The Association offers no legal authority supporting its position that an HOA lien should be treated any differently from other liens for purposes of Sec. 506.
The court finds the BAP's decision in Foster unavailaing as 1) it is interpreting Washington state law and 2) it concerns the applicability of the discharge provisions of 1328(a) to postpetition dues/assessments,
Importantly, California law does not treat HOA liens as "superliens." See, e.g.,Thaler v. Household Finance Corporation, 80 Cal.App.4th 1093, 1103 (2000) (rejecting the HOA's argument that a second trust deed recorded prior to recordation of its assessment subordinate, the Court referenced the following quote from Starr & Miller: "The burden on the . . . association is no different from the burden imposed on any creditor. Every creditor suffers the risk that a debtor may defeat collection of the obligation by over-encumbering his asset."); Diamond Heights Village Ass'n, Inc. v. Financial Freedom Senior Funding Corp.
196 Cal.App.4th 290, 303 ( The debt is only a personal obligation of the owner, however, until the community association records a notice of delinquent assessment against the owner's interest in the development. Recording this notice creates a lien and gives the association a security interest in the lot or unit against which the assessment was imposed. (Sproul & Rosenberry, Advising Cal. Common Interest Communities
(Cont.Ed.Bar 2003) 5.36, p. 328 [hereafter, Common Interest Communities]; see Civ.Code, 1367, subd. (d).) The lien dates from the time the lien is **681 properly recorded. ( Thaler v. Household Finance Corp. (2000) 80 Cal.App.4th 1093, 11001102, 95 Cal.Rptr.2d 779.) California follows the first in time, first in right system of lien priorities. Condominium assessment liens follow this same system."); andMountain Home Properties v. Pine Mountain Lake Assn. (1982) 135 Cal.App.3d 959, 968("covenants running with the land, including those contained in CC & R's, are to be strictly construed].)
The Association's lien securing the prepetition obligations is completely underwater and, therefore, may be stripped.
Ramiro Flores Munoz
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Claremont, CA 91711
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f. 888.674.9293
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We've done it several times (under LAM) and never had a problem. In two occasions (Ahart in SF and Smith in SA) the motions were opposed (HOA citing Foster). We won on both occasions with court finding Foster has nothing to do with this issue. Here's the Santa Ana ruling:





The Association offers no legal authority supporting its position that an HOA lien should
be treated any differently from other liens for purposes of Sec. 506.
The court finds the BAP's decision in Foster unavailaing as 1) it is interpreting
Washington state law and 2) it concerns the applicability of the discharge provisions of
1328(a) to postpetition dues/assessments,
Importantly, California law does not treat HOA liens as "superliens." See, e.g.,Thaler v.
Household Finance Corporation, 80 Cal.App.4th 1093, 1103 (2000) (rejecting the HOA's
argument that a second trust deed recorded prior to recordation of its assessment
subordinate, the Court referenced the following quote from Starr & Miller: "The burden on
the . . . association is no different from the burden imposed on any creditor. Every
creditor suffers the risk that a debtor may defeat collection of the obligation by
over-encumbering his asset."); Diamond Heights Village Ass'n, Inc. v. Financial Freedom
Senior Funding Corp.
196 Cal.App.4th 290, 303 ( The debt is only a personal obligation of the owner,
however, until the community association records a notice of delinquent assessment
against the owner's interest in the development. Recording this notice creates a lien and
gives the association a security interest in the lot or unit against which the assessment
was imposed. (Sproul & Rosenberry, Advising Cal. Common Interest Communities
(Cont.Ed.Bar 2003) 5.36, p. 328 [hereafter, Common Interest Communities]; see
Civ.Code, 1367, subd. (d).) The lien dates from the time the lien is **681 properly
recorded. ( Thaler v. Household Finance Corp. (2000) 80 Cal.App.4th 1093, 11001102,
95 Cal.Rptr.2d 779.) California follows the first in time, first in right system of lien
priorities. Condominium assessment liens follow this same system."); andMountain
Home Properties v. Pine Mountain Lake Assn. (1982) 135 Cal.App.3d 959,
968("covenants running with the land, including those contained in CC & R's, are to be
strictly construed].)
The Association's lien securing the prepetition obligations is completely underwater and,
therefore, may be stripped.


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Treatment of HOA lien in Plan

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:20 pm
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I tried that but no luck. Yes it was a motion to value and the involved
prepetition assessments. Read the CCRs.

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Treatment of HOA lien in Plan

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:39 am
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Interesting. Foster deals with Washington Law, and post petition HOA
dues. My case is California law and prepetition assessments.
Distinguishable?
Was your motion a Motion to Value and avoid the lien?
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Treatment of HOA lien in Plan

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:57 am
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I have been able to do it in several cases but in a contested motion, Judge
Kaufman found that I could not do because it is a covenant running with the
land. Read Foster v. Double R. Ranch Assn 435 B.R. 650 (BAP 9th Cir.
2010).
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Certified Bankruptcy Law Specialist - The State Bar of California Board of
Legal Specialization

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Treatment of HOA lien in Plan

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:39 am
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HOA apparently has a lien, per the CC&Rs, for unpaid special
assessments and such on a NON-principal residence property of the
debtors. Assuming that the CC&Rs do not give the HOA any special
priority above the existing mortgages, can this lien be stripped
based on a 506 valuation of the property (assuming it is completely
underwater to the senior mortgages)? HOA is insisting it cannot be
since it is statutory. This is a Chapter 11 case, but I assume
same would apply in a Chapter 13 context.
Thanks
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Mark J. Markus
Law Office of Mark J. Markus
11684 Ventura Blvd. PMB #403
Studio City, CA 91604-2652
(818)509-1173 (818)509-1460 (fax)
web: http://www.bklaw.com/
Certified Bankruptcy Law Specialist--The State Bar of California
Board of Legal Specialization
This Firm is a Qualified Federal Debt Relief Agency (see what this
means at

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