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Canceling Verizon lines

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:32 pm
by Yahoo Bot

pay the 300, no reason to pay a filing fee (almost 300) and attys fees to accomplish the same thing. But, yes, you can reject contracts in ch's 13 and 11. Verizon would then file a $300 claim, which would get it's percentage payment, equal to payment to unsecureds.
Way too much work to avoid a $300 fee.
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Dennis McGoldrick, 350 S. Crenshaw Bl., #A207B, Torrance, Ca 90503 310-328-1001-voice
> On Feb 1, 2015, at 7:47 PM, John Faucher j.d.faucher@sbcglobal.net [cdcbaa] wrote:
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> Hello All:
> Chapter 13 client has five lines on his Verizon cell phone plan. He wants to drop two of the lines to reduce expenses. Verizon wants to charge him $300 to do so, defeating the purpose of dropping the lines. Can we use the chapter 13 to force Verizon to drop the lines for free, and if so, how?
> - John D. Faucher
> 818/889-8080
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Canceling Verizon lines

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:37 am
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I knew Nick had something up his sleeve, I just couldn't figure out what it
was! Very clever.
Some concerns of mine though:
-If the Plan has been confirmed, then how do you retroactively reject the
contract?
-If the Debtor received some kind of product, then what are the
implications of a rejection of an "executory" contract of this nature. The
fact pattern I am thinking of is Debtor was given an iPhone 6 for $200 and
filed for Chapter 13 the next day. In other words, does there need to be an
analysis of the underlying contract to determine whether this is a mixed
service/goods contract and the implications of rejection?
Sincerely,
*Michael Avanesian, Esq. *AVANESIAN LAW FIRM
101 N. Brand Blvd., PH 1920
Glendale, California 91203
Tel: 818.276.2477 Fax: 818.208.4550
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Nicholas Gebelt ngebelt@gebeltlaw.com
[cdcbaa] wrote:
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> Dear John,
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> Once you use the nuclear option, your client can get a new contract.
> According to the FCC, cell phone numbers are portable (
> http://www.fcc.gov/guides/portability-k ... -providers).
> Therefore, even if the new contract is with someone other than Verizon,
> your client can keep the numbers.
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> All the best,
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> Nick
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> *Subject:* Re: [cdcbaa] Canceling Verizon lines [1 Attachment]
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> Thanks, Nick.
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> Rejecting the lease is all-or-nothing. Aside from using this nuclear
> option as a way to negotiate with Verizon, I don't see any way to force
> Verizon to continue providing service to three out of five lines without
> paying their cancelation fee.
>
> But I am impaired by a cold today. Am I missing something?
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> - John
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> On Sunday, February 1, 2015 9:28 PM, "Nicholas Gebelt
> ngebelt@gebeltlaw.com [cdcbaa]" wrote:
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> Dear John,
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> If the plan hasnt been confirmed, put a provision in section V.A. to
> reject the cell phone contract. If the plan has already been confirmed,
> file a motion to modify the plan to reject the contract.
>
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>
> Best regards,
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> Nick
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> *From:* cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 01, 2015 7:47 PM
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> *Subject:* [cdcbaa] Canceling Verizon lines
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> Hello All:
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> Chapter 13 client has five lines on his Verizon cell phone plan. He wants
> to drop two of the lines to reduce expenses. Verizon wants to charge him
> $300 to do so, defeating the purpose of dropping the lines. Can we use the
> chapter 13 to force Verizon to drop the lines for free, and if so, how?
>
> - John D. Faucher
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> 818/889-8080
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I knew Nick had something up his sleeve, I just couldn't figure out what it was! Very clever.Some concerns of mine though:-If the Plan has been confirmed, then how do you retroactively reject the contract?-If the Debtor received some kind of product, then what are the implications of a rejection of an "executory" contract of this nature. The fact pattern I am thinking of is Debtor was given an iPhone 6 for $200 and filed for Chapter 13 the next day. In other words, does there need to be an analysis of the underlying contract to determine whether this is a mixed service/goods contract and the implications of rejection?
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Canceling Verizon lines

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:36 am
by Yahoo Bot

Thanks, Nick.
Rejecting the lease is all-or-nothing. Aside from using this nuclear option as a way to negotiate with Verizon, I don't see any way to force Verizon to continue providing service to three out of five lines without paying their cancelation fee.
But I am impaired by a cold today. Am I missing something?
- John
On Sunday, February 1, 2015 9:28 PM, "Nicholas Gebelt ngebelt@gebeltlaw.com [cdcbaa]" wrote:
Dear John,
If the plan hasnt been confirmed, put a provision in section V.A. to reject the cell phone contract. If the plan has already been confirmed, file a motion to modify the plan to reject the contract.
Best regards,
Nick
Nicholas Gebelt
Nicholas Gebelt, Ph.D., J.D.
Attorney at Law
Certified Bankruptcy Law Specialist
Law Offices of Nicholas Gebelt
15150 Hornell Street
Whittier, CA 90604
Phone: 562.777.9159
FAX: 562.946.1365
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Subject: [cdcbaa] Canceling Verizon lines
Hello All:
Chapter 13 client has five lines on his Verizon cell phone plan. He wants to drop two of the lines to reduce expenses. Verizon wants to charge him $300 to do so, defeating the purpose of dropping the lines. Can we use the chapter 13 to force Verizon to drop the lines for free, and if so, how?
- John D. Faucher
818/889-8080

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Canceling Verizon lines

Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:28 pm
by Yahoo Bot

Dear John,
If the plan hasn't been confirmed, put a provision in section V.A. to reject the cell phone contract. If the plan has already been confirmed, file a motion to modify the plan to reject the contract.
Best regards,
Nick
Nicholas Gebelt
Nicholas Gebelt, Ph.D., J.D.
Attorney at Law
Certified Bankruptcy Law Specialist
[Description: Description: Description: cid:image003.jpg@01CC076B.B14D73C0]
Law Offices of Nicholas Gebelt
15150 Hornell Street
Whittier, CA 90604
Phone: 562.777.9159
FAX: 562.946.1365
Email: ngebelt@goodbye2debt.com; ngebelt@gebeltlaw.com
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Canceling Verizon lines

Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2015 7:47 pm
by Yahoo Bot

Hello All:
Chapter 13 client has five lines on his Verizon cell phone plan. He wants to drop two of the lines to reduce expenses. Verizon wants to charge him $300 to do so, defeating the purpose of dropping the lines. Can we use the chapter 13 to force Verizon to drop the lines for free, and if so, how?
- John D. Faucher
818/889-8080

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