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he title of the document and the date you made the copies. Billing systems like Abbacus are great for this.
Law Office of Catherine Christiansen
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How about for printing costs?
Any of you charge a per page cost (e.g. 20 cents per page)?
It can add up on when there are a lot of creditors who need to be served..
On Oct 22, 2012 10:58 AM, "Kirk Brennan" wrote:
To those of you who do chapter 11s:
>
>Do you normally include in your fee applications, attorney time and expense (e.g. IRS mileage rate) for traveling to court for hearings? Or do you just absorb the cost?
>
>Thanks,
>
>--
>Kirk Brennan, esq.
>California Law Office, P.C.
>www.calibankruptcysite.com
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Could not have said that better myself.
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Yes, you charge for copies. There is an actual guideline in the cases
and/or U.S.T.'s Guidelines. In fact, I recall one of the Pachulski partner
actually owned or owns a corporation that handles the copying and the like
for Pachulski.
Giovanni Orantes, Esq.
Orantes Law Firm, P.C.
3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
Los Angeles, CA 90010
Tel: (213) 389-4362
Fax: (877) 789-5776
e-mail: go@gobklaw.com
website: www.gobklaw.com
Yes, you charge for copies. There is an actual guideline in the cases and/or U.S.T.'s Guidelines. In fact, I recall one of the Pachulski partner actually owned or owns a corporation that handles the copying and the like for Pachulski.
-- Giovanni Orantes, Esq. Orantes Law Firm, P.C.3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980Los Angeles, CA 90010Tel: (213) 389-4362Fax: (877) 789-5776e-mail: go@gobklaw.com
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How about for printing costs?
Any of you charge a per page cost (e.g. 20 cents per page)?
It can add up on when there are a lot of creditors who need to be served.
I have been absorbing the cost, but considering a different approach.
On Oct 22, 2012 10:58 AM, "Kirk Brennan" wrote:
> To those of you who do chapter 11s:
>
> Do you normally include in your fee applications, attorney time and
> expense (e.g. IRS mileage rate) for traveling to court for hearings? Or do
> you just absorb the cost?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Kirk Brennan, esq.
> California Law Office, P.C.
> www.calibankruptcysite.com
>
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How about for printing costs?
Any of you charge a per page cost (e.g. 20 cents per page)?
It can add up on when there are a lot of creditors who need to be served.p>
On Oct 22, 2012 10:58 AM, "Kirk Brennan" <kirkinhermosa@gmail.com> wrote:
To those of you who do chapter 11s: Do you normally include in your fee applications, attorney time and expense (e.g. IRS mileage rate) for traveling to court for hearings? Or do you just absorb the cost?
Thanks,
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Well, I believe some attorneys got in trouble for billing more hours than
were possible to be billed in a day. For example, billing for 6 hours for
a 4 hour time period. In other words, charging one client for the same
time another client is also paying has been found sanctionable. So, I
charge for travel time, but if I manage to get work done for another
client, I charge that client, not the one for whom I am travelling.
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 2:38 PM, John D. Faucher
wrote:
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>
>
> Fair? I think it's fair to charge a client for the time I'm stuck in a
> car going to his hearing. To use Dennis' simile, the client is paying
> for my body to be in a certain place at a certain time.
> If I happen to be mentally idle and can make a phone call during that
> drive and resolve some little bit of another case at the same time, it's
> also fair to charge the other client for that service.
> So far as I can tell, neither client is harmed by paying the bill for the
> full time of my services.
> - John D. Faucher
> 818/889-8080
>
>
> On 10/22/12 2:11 PM, Steven B. Lever wrote:
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>
>
> Certainly expense, and reasonable time. I may be out of date though
> because Ive been charging since before cell phones, and if youre talking
> to other clients on the cell it might not be fair.****
>
> ** **
>
> Steven B. Lever ****
>
> ** **
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> *From:* cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Kirk Brennan
> *Sent:* Monday, October 22, 2012 10:58 AM
> *To:* Cdcbaa Yahoo Listserv
> *Subject:* [cdcbaa] ch 11 attorney fee expenses****
>
> ** **
>
> ****
>
> To those of you who do chapter 11s:
>
> Do you normally include in your fee applications, attorney time and
> expense (e.g. IRS mileage rate) for traveling to court for hearings? Or do
> you just absorb the cost?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Kirk Brennan, esq.
> California Law Office, P.C.
> www.calibankruptcysite.com
>
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Giovanni Orantes, Esq.
Orantes Law Firm, P.C.
3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
Los Angeles, CA 90010
Tel: (213) 389-4362
Fax: (877) 789-5776
e-mail: go@gobklaw.com
website: www.gobklaw.com
Well, I believe some attorneys got in trouble for billing more hours than were possible to be billed in a day. For example, billing for6 hours for a 4 hour time period. In other words, charging one client for the same time another client is also paying has been found sanctionable. So, I charge for travel time, but if I manage to get work done for another client, I charge that client, not the one for whom I am travelling.
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 2:38 PM, John D. Faucher <j.d.faucher@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Fair? I think
it's fair to charge a client for the time I'm
stuck in a car going to his hearing. To use Dennis' simile, the
client is paying for
my body to be in a certain place at a certain
time.
If I happen to be mentally
idle and can make a phone call
during that drive and resolve some little
bit of another
case at the same time, it's
also fair to charge the other client
for that service.
So far
as I can tell, neither
client is harmed by paying the bill for the full
time of my services.
- John D.
Faucher
818/889-8080

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Fair? I think it's fair to charge a client for the time I'm stuck in a
car going to his hearing. To use Dennis' simile, the client ispaying for
my body to be in a certain place at a certain time.
If I happen to be mentally idle and can make a phone call during that
drive and resolve some little bit of another case at the same time, it's
also fair to charge the other client for that service.
So far as I can tell, neither client is harmed by paying the bill for
the full time of my services.
- John D. Faucher
818/889-8080
On 10/22/12 2:11 PM, Steven B. Lever wrote:
>
> Certainly expense, and reasonable time. I may be out of date though
> because I've been charging since before cell phones, and if you're
> talking to other clients on the cell it might not be fair.
>
> Steven B. Lever
>
> *From:*cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Kirk Brennan
> *Sent:* Monday, October 22, 2012 10:58 AM
> *To:* Cdcbaa Yahoo Listserv
> *Subject:* [cdcbaa] ch 11 attorney fee expenses
>
> To those of you who do chapter 11s:
>
> Do you normally include in your fee applications, attorney time and
> expense (e.g. IRS mileage rate) for traveling to court for hearings?
> Or do you just absorb the cost?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Kirk Brennan, esq.
> California Law Office, P.C.
> www.calibankruptcysite.com
>
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> delete this message and its attachments from your computer system. We
> do not waive attorney-client or work product privilege by the
> transmission of this message.
> TAX ADVICE NOTICE: Tax advice, if any, contained in this e-mail does
> not constitute a "reliance opinion" as defined in IRS Circular 230 and
> may not be used to establish reasonable reliance on the opinion of
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> opinions only in formal opinion letters containing the signature of a
> director.
>
>

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Certainly expense, and reasonable time. I may be out of date though
because I've been charging since before cell phones, and if you're
talking to other clients on the cell it might not be fair.
Steven B. Lever

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We are like women of the night. We sell ourselves for so much an hour. I charge all of the time from door to door. If there is prep time before I leave that is also in the time entry. I recently told a guy who wants me to go to Minneapolis to help with a mediation there that it would cost him $10,000 a day.
The entry is simple. Appear at hearing on.......3.5 hours.
If you do not charge travel time, you are giving it away. If you do not charge travel time, then your effective rate (the amount you actually collect for your time) could be zero.
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Subject: RE: [cdcbaa] ch 11 attorney fee expenses
I have never charged a bankruptcy client for travel time. I think the court might take issue in the fee application and what category would you put the time under? Im interested to hear the answer from others who do chapter 11 cases.
Link Schrader, Attorney
Law Office of Link W. Schrader
From:cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kirk Brennan
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:58 AM
To: Cdcbaa Yahoo Listserv
Subject: [cdcbaa] ch 11 attorney fee expenses
To those of you who do chapter 11s:
Do you normally include in your fee applications, attorney time and expense (e.g. IRS mileage rate) for traveling to court for hearings? Or do you just absorb the cost?
Thanks,
Kirk Brennan, esq.
California Law Office, P.C.
www.calibankruptcysite.com
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So Michael is billing the travel as a cost - not attorney time. I see.
Link Schrader, Attorney
Law Office of Link W. Schrader
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I have never charged a bankruptcy client for travel time. I think the court might take issue in the fee application and what category would you put the time under? I'm interested to hear the answer from others who do chapter 11 cases.
Link Schrader, Attorney
Law Office of Link W. Schrader

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