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Redemption of a car in Chapter 7

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:17 pm
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Nick: Thank you! I may not post much on this group but I sure do appreciate it.
David
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> Dear David,
>
> Please review 11 U.S.C. 102(1) for the meaning of "after notice and a hearing" as used in the Bankruptcy Code and the Federal Rules of Bankruptcy Procedure. In particular, you will see that 102(1)(B) permits a scream or die motion.
>
> Desiree's original question asked if she could bypass the motion requirement altogether. My answer was, no. Fed. R. Bankr. Proc. 6008, coupled with 102(1)(B), indicates that a scream or die motion is both necessary and sufficient (if no one requests a hearing) to redeem the car.
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> All the best,
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> Nick
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dbcommons
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 9:42 AM
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> Subject: [cdcbaa] Re: Redemption of a car in Chapter 7
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> Nick: I just had a conversation about this with our local (SB) clerk, who is normally very knowledgeable. My question: can I do a redemption as a scream or die? She was not sure. FBR 6008 says "after hearing on notice as the court may direct . . . ." Isn't that what "the Court" is doing in LBR 9013-1(o) (even if there is in fact no hearing)?
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> David Commons
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> --- In cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com, Nicholas Gebelt wrote:
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> > Dear Desiree,
> >
> > Please look at Fed. R. Bankr. Proc. 6008. Motion with hearing. If Chase is willing to give your client the pink slip for the cash, without a motion and hearing, great. But the rules require a motion with hearing. This is probably to protect the debtor from the creditor changing the terms during the process.
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> > Good luck,
> >
> > Nick
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Redemption of a car in Chapter 7

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:52 am
by Yahoo Bot

Dear David,
Please review 11 U.S.C. 102(1) for the meaning of "after notice and a hearing" as used in the Bankruptcy Code and the Federal Rules of Bankruptcy Procedure. In particular, you will see that 102(1)(B) permits a scream or die motion.
Desiree's original question asked if she could bypass the motion requirement altogether. My answer was, no. Fed. R. Bankr. Proc. 6008, coupled with sufficient (if no one requests a hearing) to redeem the car.
All the best,
Nick
Nicholas Gebelt, Ph.D., J.D.
Certified Bankruptcy Specialist
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Redemption of a car in Chapter 7

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:42 am
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Nick: I just had a conversation about this with our local (SB) clerk, who is normally very knowledgeable. My question: can I do a redemption as a scream or die? She was not sure. FBR 6008 says "after hearing on notice as the court may direct . . . ." Isn't that what "the Court" is doing in LBR 9013-1(o) (even if there is in fact no hearing)?
David Commons
>
> Dear Desiree,
>
> Please look at Fed. R. Bankr. Proc. 6008. Motion with hearing. If Chase is willing to give your client the pink slip for the cash, without a motion and hearing, great. But the rules require a motion with hearing. This is probably to protect the debtor from the creditor changing the terms during the process.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Nick
>
> Nicholas Gebelt, Ph.D., J.D.
> Certified Bankruptcy Specialist
>
> [Description: cid:image003.jpg@...]
>
> Law Offices of Nicholas Gebelt
> 15150 Hornell Street
> Whittier, CA 90604
> Phone: 562.777.9159
> FAX: 562.946.1365
> Email: ngebelt@...; ngebelt@...
> Web: www.goodbye2debt.com
> Blog: www.southerncaliforniabankruptcylawblog.com/
>
> We are a debt relief agency. We help people file for bankruptcy relief under the Bankruptcy Code.
>
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Desiree Causey
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 5:21 PM
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [cdcbaa] Redemption of a car in Chapter 7
>
>
> My client wants to redeem a car out of the bankruptcy. I pulled Rutter and it says that some courts require a debtor to file a motion to redeem the automobile and then goes on to say in practice, a after a price is set with the creditor, it can be done with writing a letter and forwarding the funds and that a motion is only filed when there is a disagreement about FMV.
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> So what the custom here? The lender is Chase Auto Finance.
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>
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> Desiree Causey, Esq.
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Redemption of a car in Chapter 7

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:36 pm
by Yahoo Bot

Dear Desiree,
Please look at Fed. R. Bankr. Proc. 6008. Motion with hearing. If Chase is willing to give your client the pink slip for the cash, without a motion and hearing, great. But the rules require a motion with hearing. This is probably to protect the debtor from the creditor changing the terms during the process.
Good luck,
Nick
Nicholas Gebelt, Ph.D., J.D.
Certified Bankruptcy Specialist
[Description: cid:image003.jpg@01CC076B.B14D73C0]
Law Offices of Nicholas Gebelt
15150 Hornell Street
Whittier, CA 90604
Phone: 562.777.9159
FAX: 562.946.1365
Email: ngebelt@goodbye2debt.com; ngebelt@gebeltlaw.com
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Redemption of a car in Chapter 7

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:21 pm
by Yahoo Bot

My client wants to redeem a car out of the bankruptcy. I pulled Rutter and
it says that some courts require a debtor to file a motion to redeem the
automobile and then goes on to say in practice, a after a price is set with
the creditor, it can be done with writing a letter and forwarding the funds
and that a motion is only filed when there is a disagreement about FMV.
So what the custom here? The lender is Chase Auto Finance.
Desiree Causey, Esq.
Law Office of Desiree Causey
17011 Beach Blvd., Suite 900
Huntington Beach, CA 92647
714-375-6663
714-908-7646 (fax)
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