Having run across this before, I have the plaintiff's counsel for the the Notice of Stay, avoiding my client, as the defendant, the cost of filing the first document - a first appearance fee. Similarly, if a debtor defendant files the Notice of Removal, the clerk will assess the first filing fee, even though the Notice of Removal is not an appearance, but rather a document giving the state court notice that it is being divested of jurisdiction. But, the clerk will not listen, especially where they are being furloughed without pay!
Lou Esbin
>
> I've often wondered how a notice of stay could be an appearance? When you appear you subject yourself, or your client to the court's jurisdiction. A notice of stay is a notice the court has no jurisdiction. The clerk is crazy. Maybe you should think outside the box. How do you get a writ of mandamous (sp) against the clerk?
>
> On the otherside, is the rule stating a lawyer has to file a notice of stay constitutional? If it costs money, the court is taking your money without just compensation. If the filing does not cost money, does the rule violate the 13th amendment? I understand when rules require you to do things you want to do in a certain way, but telling lawyers to do something they may not want to do at alll is involuntary servitude.
> Will the gov't argue the action is something you must do to file your client in a bk, to make it a voluntary requirement?
> Dennis McGoldrick
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> On Apr 30, 2010, at 3:25 PM, "Mark J. Markus" wrote:
>
> Yes they were, but I defy (well, maybe not defy....how about: Invite) someone to tell me how a local bankruptcy rule trumps 9th circuit authority.
>
> See In re Eskanos & Adler, 309 F.3d 1210 (9th Cir. 2002)
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> On 4/30/2010 3:20 PM, David A. Tilem wrote:
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> I wish it were that simple. I think the rules were amended to require the filing.
>
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> Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Re: Filing fee to Superior Court for filing a Notice of Stay of Civil proceedings?
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>
> Then don't file it. It's done solely as a courtesy to those boobs
> anyway. Send a copy to plaintiff's counsel and you're done. If they
> violate the stay, then you can file the Notice of Stay, pay the fee, and> seek to collect that from them after you file the sanctions motion with
> the BK court.
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> On 4/30/2010 2:41 PM, Nikki wrote:
> > It's actually the Van Nuys Court! I called them up and this one lady
> > there insists that since it is the first document filed by my client in
> > the Civil Case, he Must pay the fee. Otherwise, she will not notify the
> > Judge about the BK and the NAS!
> >
> > She said she has this conversation with many other BK attorneys
> > (apparently) and just because other clerks "make mistakes" of not
> > charging a filing fee, doesnt mean she will do the same....
> >
> > I've resubmitted already a couple of times, but to no avail... not sure
> > what to do.
> >
> >
> > --- In
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> >
> >> That's nonsense. This must be downtown LA, right? Those people don't
> >> know which end is up right now. Just resubmit it. There's no filing
> >>
> > fee.
> >
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> >> On 4/30/2010 2:08 PM, Nikki wrote:
> >>
> >>> Client had a lawsuit pending in Superior Court. Ch 7 was filed and
> >>>
> > Notice of Stay of Proceedings sent to Superior Court to notify them of
> > the BK filing.
> >
> >>> The Clerk is requiring my client to pay $300+ filing fee for this
> >>>
> > document to be filed and put on record!??
> >
> >>> This has never come up with any other Superior Court or Clerk
> >>>
> > before.... Any insight/recommended response?
> >
> >>> Thanks.
> >>> Nikki Hashemi
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