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Let me go back in time, to when I had a desk in the Office of Chief Counsel
of the IRS . . .
I see this case coming to my desk when the IRS issues a notice of deficiency
against Joe Taxpayer for failure to report his $100,000 of COD income, which
our agent found when the computers matched up the 1099-COD and the return.
Joe sues the IRS in Tax Court, saying I didnt get this income because the
creditor is still hounding me for it. Ill call Joe up and ask him what
his evidence is that the debt isnt written off; if its good evidence, then
Im referring the creditor to audit because its issuing fraudulent 1099s.
The creditor is issuing the 1099 so that it can get a bad debt writeoff, and
thus a deduction from income tax. If its taking the deduction and still
pursuing the debt, its defrauding the government and honest taxpayers. I
think I could get a bunch of government employees excited about this one.
I also think that estoppel works well in this situation without dragging the
IRS into it. The 1099 is a document with legal effect that binds the issuer
against the government and against the issuee. You cant write off a debt,
announce it to the government and the borrower, and then seek to collect it.
- John D. Faucher
On 6/10/10 8:47 AM, "jonhayes6666" wrote:
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> This has got great article written all over it - 800 words. I had a client
> recently who got a 1099-C and believed that he no longer had to pay the debt.
> Luckily the bank saw its mistake and rescinded the 1099-C but I wondered about
> the efect myself. Does announcing you have written off the debt somehow
> prevent the collection?
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> --- In
cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com , Mark
> T.Jessee wrote:
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>> > David:
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>> > I researched this issue a few years back from the standpoint of when
>> > the 1099-C should be issued, but have not reviewed it since. IRS
>> > position from my interpretation was that the 1099-C should not be
>> > issued unless the creditor believed the debt was completely
>> > uncollectable and not before then. That said I am not aware of any
>> > statute holding issuance of the 1099-C acts to prohibit the creditor
>> > from seeking to collect the debt, although if debtor had to pay tax on
>> > the discharged income and the lender took the loss as a tax deduction,
>> > I would raise estoppel as a defense in any action filed. I wonder if
>> > the FDCPA addresses this issue? At the very least the creditor
>> > continuing to attempt collection is a basis to challenge the 1099-C by
>> > the debtor as the creditor clearly does not believe the debt is
>> > uncollectable. If the debt later is collected from the debtor in full
>> > or part then the 1099-C would need to be amended. The creditor should
>> > be able have it's cake and eat it too!
>> > Mark T. Jessee
>> > Law Offices of Mark T. Jessee
>> > "A Debt Relief Agency"
>> > 50 W. Hillcrest Drive, Suite 200
>> > Thousand Oaks, CA 91360
>> > (805) 497-5868
>> > On Wed 9/06/10 6:24 PM , "David A. Tilem" DavidTilem@...
>> > sent:
>> > Robert: Thanks, but it is not exactly my question. I know that
>> > there is COD income tax liability. My question is whether, after
>> > issuing a 1099-C, the lender can still attempt to collect the debt.
>> > Is the lender somehow precluded from attempting to collect the debt
>> > after it issues a 1099-C? David A. Tilem Certified Bankruptcy
>> > Specialist* Law Offices of David A. Tilem (a debt relief agency)
>> > 206 N. Jackson Street, #201, Glendale, CA 91206 Tel: 818-507-6000
>> > Fax: 818-507-6800 * Bankruptcy specialist cert. by State Bar of CA
>> > Bd of Legal Specialization. Business bankruptcy specialist cert.
>> > by Amer. Bd. of Certification -----Original Message-----
>> > FROM:
cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
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>> > BEHALF OF Robert
>> > SENT: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 5:29 PM
>> > TO:
cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
>> > SUBJECT: [cdcbaa] Re: Non-Bankruptcy Question
>> > An attempt to give back to the message board.
>> > Borrower owes nothing, based on
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http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/ ... 14,00.html [1]
>> > Publication 4681....
>> > Hope that is of some use, David.
>> > --- In
cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com [2],
>> "David A. Tilem" wrote:
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>>> > > Bank is owed $500,000 secured by Property.
>>> > > Property is worth $400,000.
>>> > > Bank issues Form 1099-COD for $100,000
>>> > >
>>> > > Question 1: How much must borrower pay to fully satisfy the
>> > obligation?
>>> > > Question 2: Why?
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Remember: NO BANKRUPTCY INVOLVED
>>> > >
>>> > > David A. Tilem
>>> > > Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*
>>> > > Law Offices of David A. Tilem (a debt relief agency)
>>> > > 206 N. Jackson Street, #201, Glendale, CA 91206
>>> > > Tel: 818-507-6000 Fax: 818-507-6800
>>> > >
>>> > > * Bankruptcy specialist cert. by State Bar of CA Bd of Legal
>>> > > Specialization.
>>> > > Business bankruptcy specialist cert. by Amer. Bd. of
>> > Certification
>>> > >
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>> > Links:
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http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/ ... 14,00.html
>> > [2] mailto:
cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
>> > [3] mailto:
cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
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>> > Non-Bankruptcy Question
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Re: [cdcbaa] Re: Non-Bankruptcy Question
Let me go back in time, to when I had a desk in the Office of Chief Counsel of the IRS . . .
I see this case coming to my desk when the IRS issues a notice of deficiency against Joe Taxpayer for failure to report his $100,000 of COD income, which our agent found when the computers matched up the 1099-COD and the retu
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