Partner dissociated for filing bankruptcy? Help, plea=
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:22 pm
Mark is correct. Disputed is more accurate then contingent.
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An individual limited liability
partner is not generally responsible for the debts of the LLP. Out of
caution you may list those LLP creditorsto provide them notice but I would
note thatthose creditorsare disputed as to his individual
liability.
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On Thu, 8 Dec 2011 15:06:20 -0800, Holly Roark
wrote:
>I am definitely dealing with an LLP, a limited liability partnership.
(The statute says that a limited liability partner is not dissociated for filing
bk, but a general partner is. Fine. My guy is a limited
partner. In any case, I have found case law to get around that
issue.) All I am trying to figure out now is whether I need to list any
creditors of the LLP in the limited liability partner's personal bk.
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>On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 2:54 PM, wrote:
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>>There are "Limited Partnerships" and then there are "Limited Liability
Partnerships". They are VERY different and your question seems to comingle
those entities. Which are you dealing with?
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>>In a message dated 12/8/2011 2:47:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, hollyroark22@gmail.com writes:
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>>>Question now on this matter is, do I have to amend debtor's schedules to
list the creditors of the partnership? California Limited Liability
Partnerships are confusing.(See Title 2, article 10 of the statute
here: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/calaw ... ectioncorp)ts
of the partnership, but I have also read that limited partners are "only liable
up to the amount of their investments". If my guy invested $20K in the
partnership and is theoreitcally liable up to that amount, and the partnership
is in debt $100K, do I list the partnership as a creditor in his personal BK
case, or do I list each individual creditor of the LLP, or
neither?
>>>
>>>Here's the statute:
>>>
>>>California CORPORATIONS CODE
>>>15903.03. (a) A
limited partner is not liable for any obligation of
>>>a limited partnership
unless named as a general partner in the
>>>certificate or, in addition to
exercising the rights and powers of a
>>>limited partner, the limited partner
participates in the control of
>>>the business. If a limited partner
participates in the control of the
>>>business without being named as a general
partner, that partner may
>>>be held liable as a general partner only to persons
who transact
>>>business with the limited partnership with actual knowledge of
that
>>>partner's participation in control and with a reasonable
belief,
>>>based upon the limited partner's conduct, that the partner is
a
>>>general partner at the time of the transaction. Nothing in this
>>>chapter
shall be construed to affect the liability of a limited
>>>partner to third
parties for the limited partner's participation in
>>>tortious
conduct.
>>>
>>>Let's say the debtor is nota general partner, but
"participates in the control of the business" and therefore under the statute
above, is liable for the obligations of the partnership (up to the amount of his
investment). Again, my question is, do I list the creditors of the
partnership in his BK, or do I list the partnership as a creditor?
According to the above statute, it appears thatI would have to find out
whether he held himself out to any particular creditors as a general partner,
and then only list those creditors. Any thoughts on who/how to list any
potential personal liability in this matter?
>>>
>>>I have to amend very soon if at all since the case is ready for discharge
now.
>>>
>>>Holly Roark
>>>
>>>
>>>On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Holly Roark wrote:
>>>
>>>Summit Investment Development v.
Curran, 69 F.3d 608 (1st Cir. 1995) holds that section 365(e) trumps the ipso facto termination provisions of a partnership agreement AND a state
partnership statute. See also In re Rittenhouse Carpet, Inc., 56
B.R. 131 (E.D. PA. 1985) (holding that section 365(e) prohibits the operation of
state laws providing that the mere filing of a petition under the Code causes
the immediate removal of a debtor/partner from a partnership.) See also In re Safren, 65 B.R. 566 (C.D. CA 1986) (holding that the
filing of a bankruptcy petition [Chapter 11] does not dissolve a general
partnership, notwithstanding the provision of California state law [UPA] being
to the contrary.) I have not found 9th Cir. authority in support or
contrary to the foregoing opinions, though Fotouhi v. Mansdorf, 427 B.R.
800 (N.D. CA 2010) assumes, without any analysis, that the debtor became
dissociated from the partnership upon the filing of the bankruptcy petition "as
a matter of law". In shepardizing Summit, I did find In re
Catapult, 165 F.3d 747 (9th Cir. 1999) which states that an executory
contract (assuming a partnership agreement is an executory contract) may not be
assumed without consent of the partners when a partner files for bankruptcy, but
that is a different issue from whether a partner "must" be dissociated due to
the California statute referenced below. This case gives the partners the
option of keeping the debtor as a partner. With respect to "assuming" such
an executory contract, there is also case authority which states that such a
contract "rides through" the bankruptcy and need not be assumed nor rejected, at
least in a Chapter 11 case. See In re JZ, L.L.C., 371 B.R. 412
(9th Cir. BAP 2007).
>>>>
>>>>My research is ongoing, and I will update
you.....
>>>>
>>>>Holly
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Debtor was just informed by his partners that he was required to be
dissociated from their Limited Liability Partnershippartnership since he
filed a personal BK. He intends to pay hisbusiness debtand
wants to stay in the partnership, but partners insist that by law he must be
dissociated. The below is the code they cite to. Debtor is not
happy. Can someone offer me some perspective on the below code? Does
anyone have case law interpreting the below?Is there anything the debtor
can do to stay in the partnership?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>CORPORATIONS CODE
>>>>>>SECTION 16601-16603
>>>>>>
>>>>>>16601. A partner is dissociated from a partnership upon the occurrence
of any of the following events: (1) The partnership's having notice of
the partner's express will to withdraw as a partner or on a later date specified
by the partner. (2) An event agreed to in the partnership agreement as causing
the partner's dissociation. (3) The partner's expulsion pursuant to the
partnership agreement. (4) The partner's expulsion by the unanimous vote of the
other partners if any of the following apply: (A) It is unlawful to carry on the
partnership business with that partner. (B) There has been a transfer of all or
substantially all of that partner's transferable interest in the partnership,
other than a transfer for security purposes, or a court order charging the
partner' s interest, that has not been foreclosed. (C) Within 90 days after the
partnership notifies a corporate partner that it will be expelled because it has
filed a certificate of dissolution or the equivalent, its charter has been
revoked, or its right to conduct business has been suspended by the jurisdiction
of its incorporation, there is no revocation of the certificate of dissolution
or no reinstatement of its charter or its right to conduct business. (D) A
partnership, limited partnership, or limited liability company that is a partner
has been dissolved and its business is being wound up. (5) On application by the
partnership or another partner, the partner's expulsion by judicial
determination because of any of the following: (A) The partner engaged in
wrongful conduct that adversely and materially affected the partnership
business. (B) The partner willfully or persistently committed a material breach
of the partnership agreement or of a duty owed to the partnership or the other
partners under Section 16404. (C) The partner engaged in conduct relating to the
partnership business that makes it not reasonably practicable to carry on the
business in partnership with the partner. (6) The partner's act
or failure to act in any of the following instances: (A) By becoming a debtor in
bankruptcy.
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>>>>>>Holly Roark
>>>>>>holly@roarklawoffices.com
>>>>>>www.roarklawoffices.com
>>>>>>Central District of California
>>>>>>Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney
>>>>>>1875 Century Park East, Suite 600
>>>>>>Los Angeles, CA 90067
>>>>>>T (310) 553-2600
>>>>>>F (310) 553-2601
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>Holly Roark
>holly@roarklawoffices.com
>www.roarklawoffices.com
>Central District of California
>Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney
>1875 Century Park East, Suite 600
>Los Angeles, CA 90067
>T (310) 553-2600
>F (310) 553-2601
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