I'd charge Keith $ 20k. The la judges wouldn't blink.
Ok, not really....
Seriously, I charge $5k for complicatedq cases. I charge more on rare occasions. I routinely charge 2500 to 3500 for debtors with businesses. 2k is not the cap for ch 7's
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On Oct 8, 2010, at 5:40 PM,
higginbothamlaw@aol.com wrote:
There is no maximum fee for a Ch7, The standard is "reasonable and necessary". If your fees are "excessive" -- be prepared to defend them against a UST's Motion to Disgorge.
KEITH ALAN HIGGINBOTHAM
Pedro Mayser, Office Manager
THE LAW OFFICES OF KEITH ALAN HIGGINBOTHAM
255 S. Grand Avenue, Suite #2109
Los Angeles, CA 90012-3045
Phone: 213.620.0176
Facsimile: 213.613.1200
HigginbothamLaw@aol.com
To:
cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Oct 8, 2010 5:35 pm
Subject: [cdcbaa] Re: Chapter 7 Maximum Fees
Steven,
I do appreciate your remarks, after reading your post I can see where I probably misread David's Joke. I will definitely make use of your invitation to discuss fees off list.
Much appreciated and thank you,
Robert
>
> Robert, lighten up. I'm sure it was a completely lighthearted joke. No one thought you were attempting to fix prices. David Tilem, in addition to being very expert also has a good sense of humor, as it as has been my pleasure to note during my years on this list.
>
>
>
> Fees are a salient issue, and I'd be happy to speak with you off list about it. It is hard to know how to set your fees in Chapter 7, and David Tilem knows that the very few lines you wrote cannot possibly be any attempt to fix prices. Each case is very individual and priced on a number of factors, and nothing in your email discussed any of them.
>
>
>
> At some juncture I want to do an Excel spreadsheet that gives a base price and adds on for things like reaffirmations, notifications to state courts of stay of proceedings, etc. Sharing that if I ever do it may be "price fixing" so I'll be sure not to do that.
>
>
>
Robert
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 4:54 PM
> To:
cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [cdcbaa] Re: Chapter 7 Maximum Fees
>
>
>
>
>
> Mr. Tilem,
>
> I always have appreciated your efforts in the past to provide aid to other members of the listserv. I, myself have been the beneficiary of such advice on a number of occasions and have expressed my gratitude to you. In good faith, I have even attempted to return the favor to you.
>
> However, I take considerable exception to your implication that I am attempting to "fix prices".
>
> (1) I specifically asked if anyone knew of a statutory basis regulating our fees. I even referenced sources I have already exhausted regarding the matter. It seems to me a reasonable and ethical query.
>
> (2) I then added my belief regarding the market.
>
> (3) In order for your glib accusation to be given weight, a number of things would have to be true: (a) the above (1) and (2) would need to be a request on my part to communicate a conspiracy as to fees (b) each and every BK attorney in my district would need to be party to the list serv (or at least a substantial number of them)...cdcbaa's numbers are big, but a number of attorneys do BK and do not belong to cdcbaa....(c) I would need to be stupid enough to post this conspiracy in a permanent public forum.
>
> (4) I entered Bankruptcy because of my ethics not inspite of them. I worked in far more affluent areas of the law (M&A, Family Law and Business Litigation) but left them because I did not feel that they were in line with my moral makeup. As a result, I started my own firm. I (and my family) regularly go without so as to provide aid to my clients. These allowances range from nights and weekends to less money for food and clothes while I get my practice off the ground.
>
> (5) My rates are EXCEPTIONALLY competitive and incredibly fair. It was my desire to fulfill my duty of fairness to my clients that prompted my question, not an attempt to circumvent it. I refer you to my website for a transparent listing of my fees.
>
> (6) All that I have in this life is my word...your unwarranted implicit remarks concerning my character and actions are well beneath you...but I am sure you did not mean them that way.
>
> If you would like, you are welcome to contact me off the list serv as I am not sure this is the appropriate place to escalate our exchange.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robert Vitt MA, JD MBA
>
> --- In
cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com ; , "David A. Tilem" wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like an illegal request to fix prices...... I'm sure you didn't mean
> > it that way.
> >
> >
> >
> > David A. Tilem
> > Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*
> > Law Offices of David A. Tilem (a debt relief agency)
> > 206 N. Jackson Street, #201, Glendale, CA 91206
> > Tel: 818-507-6000 Fax: 818-507-6800
> >
> > * Bankruptcy specialist cert. by State Bar of CA Bd of Legal
> > Specialization.
> > Business bankruptcy specialist cert. by Amer. Bd. of Certification
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
:
cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com ; ] On Behalf Of
> > Robert
> > Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 3:02 PM
> > To:
cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com ;
> > Subject: [cdcbaa] Chapter 7 Maximum Fees
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I looked in Central District's Local Rules (and past postings)to determine
> > the maximum that may be charged for a Chapter 7...lots of information on
> > Chapter 13 fees but I cannot find anything on Chapter 7s. I cannot believe
> > this is so tough to find.
> >
> > I *believe* the market is from 1 to 2K, but can't find any support on
> > this...
> >
> > Anyone know?
> >
> > I file in Riverside 99% of the time.
> >
>
>
>
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I'd charge Keith $ 20k. The la judges wouldn't blink. ;-)Ok, not really....Seriously, I charge $5k for complicatedq cases. I charge more on rare occasions. I routinely charge 2500 to 3500 for debtors with businesses. 2k is not the cap for ch 7'
scdcbaa@yahoogroups.com, "Steven B. Lever" <sblever@...> wrote:
>
> Robert, lighten up. I'm sure it was a completely lighthearted joke. No one thought you were attempting to fix prices. David Tilem, in addition to being very expert also has a good sense of humor, as it as has been my pleasure to note during my years on this list.
>
>
>
> Fees are a salient issue, and I'd be happy to speak with you off list about it. It is hard to know how to set your fees in Chapter 7, and David Tilem knows that the very few lines you wrote cannot possibly be any attempt to fix prices. Each case is very individual and priced on a number of factors, and nothing in your email discussed any of them.
>
>
>
> At some juncture I want to do an Excel spreadsheet that gives a base price and adds on for things like reaffirmations, notifications to state courts of stay of proceedings, etc. Sharing that if I ever do it may be "price fixing" so I'll be sure not to do that.
>
>
>
cbaa@yahoogroups.com">
cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 4:54 PM
> To:
cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [cdcbaa] Re: Chapter 7 Maximum Fees
>
>
>
>
>
> Mr. Tilem,
>
> I always have appreciated your efforts in the past to provide aid to other members of the listserv. I, myself have been the beneficiary of such advice on a number of occasions and have expressed my gratitude to you. In good faith, I have even attempted to return the favor to you.
>
> However, I take considerable exception to your implication that I am attempting to "fix prices".
>
> (1) I specifically asked if anyone knew of a statutory basis regulating our fees. I even referenced sources I have already exhausted regarding the matter. It seems to me a reasonable and ethical query.
>
> (2) I then added my belief regarding the market.
>
> (3) In order for your glib accusation to be given weight, a number of things would have to be true: (a) the above (1) and (2) would need to be a request on my part to communicate a conspiracy as to fees (b) each and every BK attorney in my district would need to be party to the list serv (or at least a substantial number of them)...cdcbaa's numbers are big, but a number of attorneys do BK and do not belong to cdcbaa....(c) I would need to be stupid enough to post this conspiracy in a permanent public forum.
>
> (4) I entered Bankruptcy because of my ethics not inspite of them. I worked in far more affluent areas of the law (M&A, Family Law and Business Litigation) but left them because I did not feel that they were in line with my moral makeup. As a result, I started my own firm. I (and my family) regularly go without so as to provide aid to my clients. These allowances range from nights and weekends to less money for food and clothes while I get my practice off the ground.
>
> (5) My rates are EXCEPTIONALLY competitive and incredibly fair. It was my desire to fulfill my duty of fairness to my clients that prompted my question, not an attempt to circumvent it. I refer you to my website for a transparent listing of my fees.
>
> (6) All that I have in this life is my word...your unwarranted implicit remarks concerning my character and actions are well beneath you...but I am sure you did not mean them that way.
>
> If you would like, you are welcome to contact me off the list serv as I am not sure this is the appropriate place to escalate our exchange.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robert Vitt MA, JD MBA
>
> --- In
cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com <mailto:cdcbaa%40yahoogroups.com>; , "David A. Tilem" <DavidTilem@> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like an illegal request to fix prices...... I'm sure you didn't mean
> > it that way.
> >
> >
> >
> > David A. Tilem
> > Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*
> > Law Offices of David A. Tilem (a debt relief agency)
> > 206 N. Jackson Street, #201, Glendale, CA 91206
> > Tel: 818-507-6000 Fax: 818-507-6800
> >
> > * Bankruptcy specialist cert. by State Bar of CA Bd of Legal
> > Specialization.
> > Business bankruptcy specialist cert. by Amer. Bd. of Certification
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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