Central District Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney's Association

Is it a primary residence?
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Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 3:21:14 PM
Subject: [cdcbaa] Reaffirmation agreements on mobile homes
Do judges commonly approve reaffirmation agreements on mobile homes? Amount at
issue is $5k; I assume that this would be approved.
Wesley H. Avery, Esq.
Roquemore, Pringle & Moore, Inc.
6055 E. Washington Blvd., Ste. 500
Los Angeles, CA 90040-2466
wavery@rpmlaw.com
http://www.rpmlaw.com
(323) 724-3117 (office)
(323) 724-5410 (fax)
(323) 919-9336 (blackberry)
The Bankruptcy Law Center
28005 Smyth Drive, Ste. 125
Valencia , CA 91355-4023
wavery@thebankruptcylawcenter.com
http://www.thebankruptcylawcenter.com
(661) 295-4673 (office)
(661) 430-5467 (fax)
(661) 618-7376 (cell)
Certified Specialist
Bankruptcy Law
State Bar of California
Board Certified
Business Bankruptcy Law
American Board of Certification
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Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 2:09 PM
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Subject: RE: [cdcbaa] Chapter 11 Attorneys Meet and Greet and Networking Event
Giovanni and all others:
A number of us have talked about doing a separate listserve, available to
anyone, but limited to C11 topics.
That needs to be proposed to/by the Board of Directors and I would support it.
A social event may be appropriate, but I would caution against trying to do C11
programs because there are already so many organizations doing them. I would
not want to dilute the primary cdcbaa mission.
David A. Tilem
Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*
Law Offices of David A. Tilem (a debt relief agency)
206 N. Jackson Street, #201, Glendale , CA 91206
Tel: 818-507-6000 Fax: 818-507-6800
* Bankruptcy specialist cert. by State Bar of CA Bd of Legal Specialization.
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Giovanni Orantes
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 1:53 PM
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cdcbaa] Chapter 11 Attorneys Meet and Greet and Networking Event
Ladies and Gentlemen:
For several years, I practiced exclusively Chapter 11 bankruptcy law. I was
based in Orange County (with Winthrop Couchot PC) and then in L.A. and handled
mostly cases in Orange County , Riverside , a few in Los Angeles and theremaining in other states and at a national level (NY or Delaware ). With the
drought in Chapter 11 work starting back in 2004 and continuing through 2006
(which I believe was caused by the ready availability of credit), I returned to
handling a greater portion of civil litigation than before for a couple ofyears. Since 2008, however, I have returned to practicing mainly bankruptcy
law. For reasons too time-consuming to discuss in this e-mail, I cross-trained
to handle consumer cases for individuals (who aren't necessarily famous or/and
very wealthy, which was a requisite in my previous firms) and joined the CDCBAA.
Since joining the CDCBAA, I have noticed a division among bankruptcy attorneys.
For example, LACBA, the L.A. or O.C. Bankruptcy Forums and the FinancialLawyers Association membership is made up mostly of business Chapter 11
attorneys on both the debtor and creditor sides while the CDCBAA counts asmembers Chapter 11 attorneys who also handle consumer cases. Few attorneysbelong to both camps.
Regardless of the composition of the CDCBAA or the LABF, it appears that the
Chapter 11 attorneys who are also members of the CDCBAA do not communicate with
each other as much as we should. Other Chapter 11 attorneys on this listserv
have recognized this before. However, I do not think anybody has taken thefirst step to getting all of the CDCBAA Chapter 11 attorneys together at adinner or lunch event or otherwise. Needless to say, although we are allsomewhat each other's competition, it is important to know each other whenconflicts arise or when there is an opportunity to represent creditors'
committees, for example. In the business Chapter 11 bar, since businessestypically operate through multiple legal entities, a good portion of cases are
referred out because of conflicts and you will always send cases to people you
know and trust to do a good job for the client. Penetrating the business
Chapter 11 bar is priceless but not easy. Perhaps BAPCPA, which I believeincreased the need for Chapter 11 attorneys for individuals, presents us with an
opportunity to make new friends and hopefully increase business.
All of the foregoing is my round-about way of asking all of the CDCBAA Chapter
11 attorneys to please reply identifying yourselves and providing your contact
information to gauge interest in organizing a gathering and to know where to
send you notice of such event, if any.
Sincerely,
Giovanni Orantes, Esq.
Orantes Law Firm, P.C.
3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
Los Angeles , CA 90010
Tel: (213) 389-4362
Phone: (888) 619-8222 x101
Fax: (877) 789-5776
e-mail: go@gobklaw.com
website: www.gobklaw.com
WE ARE A "DEBT RELIEF AGENCY" AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.
SERVING BAKERSFIELD , LOS ANGELES, ORANGE COUNTY , RIVERSIDE , SAN BERNARDINO
AND SANTA BARBARA .
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Is it a primary residence? From: Wesley H. Avery <wavery@rpmlaw.com>To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.comSent: Mon, October 11, 2010 3:21:14 PMSubject: [cdcbaa] Reaffirmation agreements on mobile homes

Do judges commonly approve reaffirmation agreements on mobile homes? Amount
at issue is $5k; I assume that this would be approved.

Wesley H. Avery, Esq.
Roquemore, Pringle & Moore, Inc.
6055 E. Washington Blvd., Ste. 500

Los Angeles, CA
90040-2466
wavery@rpmlaw.com
http://www.rpmlaw.com
(323) 724-3117
(office)
(323) 724-5410
(fax)
(323) 919-9336
(blackberry)
The Bankruptcy Law Center
28005 Smyth Drive, Ste. 125

Valencia , CA 91355-4023
wavery@thebankruptcylawcenter.com
http://www.thebankruptcylawcenter.com
(661) 295-4673 (office)
(661) 430-5467 (fax)
(661) 618-7376 (cell)
Certified Specialist
Bankruptcy Law
State Bar of California
Board Certified
Business
Bankruptcy Law
American Board
of Certification
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The information contained in this e-mail transmission is intended only for use
of the individual or entity named above. This e-mail transmission , and any
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My thinking is that we need to have a social event, which, in any event,
tend to be more productive for business development than educational events
- though I love the CDCBAA CLE programs. A CDC Ch. 11 listserv for counsel
who represent debtors almost exclusively (similar to NACBA's) would
certainly also be useful. I agree that there are already many entities
doing Chapter 11 programs.
Giovanni Orantes, Esq.
Orantes Law Firm, P.C.
3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
Los Angeles, CA 90010
Tel: (213) 389-4362
Phone: (888) 619-8222 x101
Fax: (877) 789-5776
e-mail: go@gobklaw.com
website: www.gobklaw.com
WE ARE A "DEBT RELIEF AGENCY" AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.
SERVING BAKERSFIELD, LOS ANGELES, ORANGE COUNTY, RIVERSIDE, SAN BERNARDINO
AND SANTA BARBARA.
Note: The information contained in this e-mail message is confidential
information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named. If
the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent
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is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error,
please immediately notify us by telephone or e-mail and delete the original
e-mail at (213) 389-4362 or (888) 619-8222.
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the Internal Revenue Service, we inform you that any U.S. tax advice
contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended
to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding penalties
under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing, or
recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein.
My thinking is that we need to have a social event, which, in any event, tend to be more productive for business development than educational events - though I love the CDCBAA CLE programs. A CDC Ch. 11 listserv for counsel who represent debtors almost exclusively (similar to NACBA's) would certainly also be useful. I agree that there are already many entities doing Chapter 11 programs.
-- Giovanni Orantes, Esq. Orantes Law Firm, P.C.3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980Los Angeles, CA 90010Tel: (213) 389-4362Phone: (888) 619-8222 x101Fax: (877) 789-5776e-mail: go@gobklaw.com
website: www.gobklaw.comWE ARE A "DEBT RELIEF AGENCY" AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.SERVING BAKERSFIELD, LOS ANGELES, ORANGE COUNTY, RIVERSIDE, SAN BERNARDINO AND SANTA BARBARA.
Note: The information contained in this e-mail message is confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by telephone or e-mail and delete the original e-mail IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: In order to comply with requirements imposed by the Internal Revenue Service, we inform you that any U.S. tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing, or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein.

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Giovanni and all others:
A number of us have talked about doing a separate listserve, available to
anyone, but limited to C11 topics.
That needs to be proposed to/by the Board of Directors and I would support
it.
A social event may be appropriate, but I would caution against trying to do
C11 programs because there are already so many organizations doing them. I
would not want to dilute the primary cdcbaa mission.
David A. Tilem
Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*
Law Offices of David A. Tilem (a debt relief agency)
206 N. Jackson Street, #201, Glendale, CA 91206
Tel: 818-507-6000 Fax: 818-507-6800
* Bankruptcy specialist cert. by State Bar of CA Bd of Legal
Specialization.
Giovanni Orantes
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 1:53 PM
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cdcbaa] Chapter 11 Attorneys Meet and Greet and Networking Event
Ladies and Gentlemen:
For several years, I practiced exclusively Chapter 11 bankruptcy law. I was
based in Orange County (with Winthrop Couchot PC) and then in L.A. and
handled mostly cases in Orange County, Riverside, a few in Los Angeles and
the remaining in other states and at a national level (NY or Delaware).
With the drought in Chapter 11 work starting back in 2004 and continuing
through 2006 (which I believe was caused by the ready availability of
credit), I returned to handling a greater portion of civil litigation than
before for a couple of years. Since 2008, however, I have returned to
practicing mainly bankruptcy law. For reasons too time-consuming to discuss
in this e-mail, I cross-trained to handle consumer cases for individuals
(who aren't necessarily famous or/and very wealthy, which was a requisite in
my previous firms) and joined the CDCBAA.
Since joining the CDCBAA, I have noticed a division among bankruptcy
attorneys. For example, LACBA, the L.A. or O.C. Bankruptcy Forums and the
Financial Lawyers Association membership is made up mostly of business
Chapter 11 attorneys on both the debtor and creditor sides while the CDCBAA
counts as members Chapter 11 attorneys who also handle consumer cases. Few
attorneys belong to both camps.
Regardless of the composition of the CDCBAA or the LABF, it appears that the
Chapter 11 attorneys who are also members of the CDCBAA do not communicate
with each other as much as we should. Other Chapter 11 attorneys on this
listserv have recognized this before. However, I do not think anybody has
taken the first step to getting all of the CDCBAA Chapter 11 attorneys
together at a dinner or lunch event or otherwise. Needless to say,
although we are all somewhat each other's competition, it is important to
know each other when conflicts arise or when there is an opportunity to
represent creditors' committees, for example. In the business Chapter 11
bar, since businesses typically operate through multiple legal entities, a
good portion of cases are referred out because of conflicts and you will
always send cases to people you know and trust to do a good job for the
client. Penetrating the business Chapter 11 bar is priceless but not easy.
Perhaps BAPCPA, which I believe increased the need for Chapter 11 attorneys
for individuals, presents us with an opportunity to make new friends and
hopefully increase business.
All of the foregoing is my round-about way of asking all of the CDCBAA
Chapter 11 attorneys to please reply identifying yourselves and providing
your contact information to gauge interest in organizing a gathering and to
know where to send you notice of such event, if any.
Sincerely,
Giovanni Orantes, Esq.
Orantes Law Firm, P.C.
3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
Los Angeles, CA 90010
Tel: (213) 389-4362
Phone: (888) 619-8222 x101
Fax: (877) 789-5776
e-mail: go@gobklaw.com
website: www.gobklaw.com
WE ARE A "DEBT RELIEF AGENCY" AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.
SERVING BAKERSFIELD, LOS ANGELES, ORANGE COUNTY, RIVERSIDE, SAN BERNARDINO
AND SANTA BARBARA.
Note: The information contained in this e-mail message is confidential
information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named. If
the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent
responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby
notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication
is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error,
please immediately notify us by telephone or e-mail and delete the original
e-mail at (213) 389-4362 or (888) 619-8222.
IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: In order to comply with requirements imposed by
the Internal Revenue Service, we inform you that any U.S. tax advice
contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended
to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding penalties
under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing, or
recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein.
Message
Giovanni and all
others:

A number of us have
talked about doing a separate listserve, available to anyone, but limited to C11
topics.
That needs to be proposed
to/by the Board of Directors and I would support it.
A social event may be
appropriate, but I would caution against trying to do C11 programs because there
are already so many organizations doing them. I would not want to dilute
the primary cdcbaa mission.

David A.
Tilem
Certified Bankruptcy
Specialist*
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Ladies and Gentlemen:
For several years, I practiced exclusively Chapter 11 bankruptcy law. I was
based in Orange County (with Winthrop Couchot PC) and then in L.A. and
handled mostly cases in Orange County, Riverside, a few in Los Angeles and
the remaining in other states and at a national level (NY or Delaware).
With the drought in Chapter 11 work starting back in 2004 and continuing
through 2006 (which I believe was caused by the ready availability of
credit), I returned to handling a greater portion of civil litigation than
before for a couple of years. Since 2008, however, I have returned to
practicing mainly bankruptcy law. For reasons too time-consuming to discuss
in this e-mail, I cross-trained to handle consumer cases for individuals
(who aren't necessarily famous or/and very wealthy, which was a requisite in
my previous firms) and joined the CDCBAA.
Since joining the CDCBAA, I have noticed a division among bankruptcy
attorneys. For example, LACBA, the L.A. or O.C. Bankruptcy Forums and the
Financial Lawyers Association membership is made up mostly of business
Chapter 11 attorneys on both the debtor and creditor sides while the CDCBAA
counts as members Chapter 11 attorneys who also handle consumer cases. Few
attorneys belong to both camps.
Regardless of the composition of the CDCBAA or the LABF, it appears that the
Chapter 11 attorneys who are also members of the CDCBAA do not communicate
with each other as much as we should. Other Chapter 11 attorneys on this
listserv have recognized this before. However, I do not think anybody has
taken the first step to getting all of the CDCBAA Chapter 11 attorneys
together at a dinner or lunch event or otherwise. Needless to say,
although we are all somewhat each other's competition, it is important to
know each other when conflicts arise or when there is an opportunity to
represent creditors' committees, for example. In the business Chapter 11
bar, since businesses typically operate through multiple legal entities, a
good portion of cases are referred out because of conflicts and you will
always send cases to people you know and trust to do a good job for the
client. Penetrating the business Chapter 11 bar is priceless but not easy.
Perhaps BAPCPA, which I believe increased the need for Chapter 11 attorneys
for individuals, presents us with an opportunity to make new friends and
hopefully increase business.
*All of the foregoing is my round-about way of asking all of the CDCBAA
Chapter 11 attorneys to please reply identifying yourselves and providing
your contact information to gauge interest in organizing a gathering and to
know where to send you notice of such event, if any.*
Sincerely,
Giovanni Orantes, Esq.
Orantes Law Firm, P.C.
3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
Los Angeles, CA 90010
Tel: (213) 389-4362
Phone: (888) 619-8222 x101
Fax: (877) 789-5776
e-mail: go@gobklaw.com
website: www.gobklaw.com
WE ARE A "DEBT RELIEF AGENCY" AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.
SERVING BAKERSFIELD, LOS ANGELES, ORANGE COUNTY, RIVERSIDE, SAN BERNARDINO
AND SANTA BARBARA.
Note: The information contained in this e-mail message is confidential
information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named. If
the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent
responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby
notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication
is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error,
please immediately notify us by telephone or e-mail and delete the original
e-mail at (213) 389-4362 or (888) 619-8222.
IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: In order to comply with requirements imposed by
the Internal Revenue Service, we inform you that any U.S. tax advice
contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended
to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding penalties
under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing, or
recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein.
Ladies and Gentlemen:For several years, I practiced exclusively Chapter 11 bankruptcy law. I was based in Orange County (with Winthrop Couchot PC) and then in L.A. and handled mostly cases in Orange County, Riverside, a few in Los Angeles and the remaining in other states and at a national level (NY or Delaware). With the drought in Chapter 11 work starting back in 2004 and continuing through 2006 (which I believe was caused by the ready availability of credit), I returned to handling a greater portion of civil litigation than before for a couple of years. Since 2008, however, I have returned to practicing mainly bankruptcy law. For reasons too time-consuming to discuss in this e-mail, I cross-trained to handle consumer cases for individuals (who aren't necessarily famous or/and very wealthy, which was a requisite in mypreviousfirms) and joined the CDCBAA.
Since joining the CDCBAA, I have noticed a division among bankruptcy attorneys. For example, LACBA, the L.A. or O.C. Bankruptcy Forums and the Financial Lawyers Association membership is made up mostly of business Chapter 11 attorneys on both the debtor and creditor sides while the CDCBAA counts as members Chapter 11 attorneys who also handle consumer cases. Few attorneys belong to both camps.
Regardless of the composition of the CDCBAA or the LABF, it appears that the Chapter 11 attorneys who are also members of the CDCBAA do not communicate with each other as much as we should. Other Chapter 11 attorneys on this listserv have recognized this before. However, I do not think anybody has taken the first step to getting all of the CDCBAA Chapter 11 attorneys together at a dinner or lunch event or otherwise. Needless to say, although we are all somewhat each other's competition, it is important to know each other when conflicts arise or when there is an opportunity to represent creditors' committees, for example. In the business Chapter 11 bar, since businesses typically operate through multiple legal entities, a good portion of cases are referred out because of conflicts and you will always send cases to people you know and trust to do a good job for the client. Penetrating the business Chapter 11 bar is priceless but not easy. Perhaps BAPCPA, which I believe increased the need for Chapter 11 attorneys for individuals, presents us with an opportunity to make new friends and hopefully increase business.
All of the foregoing is my round-about way of asking all of the CDCBAA Chapter 11 attorneys to please reply identifying yourselves and providing your contact information to gauge interest in organizing a gathering and to know where to send you notice of such event, if any.
Sincerely,-- Giovanni Orantes, Esq. Orantes Law Firm, P.C.3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980Los Angeles, CA 90010Tel: (213) 389-4362Phone: (888) 619-8222 x101Fax: (877) 789-5776
e-mail: go@gobklaw.comwebsite: www.gobklaw.comWE ARE A "DEBT RELIEF AGENCY" AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.SERVING BAKERSFIELD, LOS ANGELES, ORANGE COUNTY, RIVERSIDE, SAN BERNARDINO AND SANTA BARBARA.
Note: The information contained in this e-mail message is confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by telephone or e-mail and delete the original e-mail IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: In order to comply with requirements imposed by the Internal Revenue Service, we inform you that any U.S. tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing, or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein.

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