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Deceased Ch. 7 Debtor

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:08 pm
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Wish I'd thought of that :)
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Deceased Ch. 7 Debtor

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:44 am
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Debtor does not need a discharge. The real question is whether the
exemptions remain effective for the benefit of the debtor's heirs. I think
they do, except those relying on "extent reasonably necessary" language.
David A. Tilem
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Specialization.
L
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:09 AM
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Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Deceased Ch. 7 Debtor
and don't forget waiver of requirement under 727(a)(1) as well
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11268 Washington Blvd, Suite 203, Culver City, CA 90230-4647
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Deceased Ch. 7 Debtor

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:41 am
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I respectfully disagree with my colleague Keith. The case automatically
continues. See Rule 1016.
David A. Tilem
Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*
Law Offices of David A. Tilem (a debt relief agency)
206 N. Jackson Street, #201, Glendale, CA 91206
Tel: 818-507-6000 Fax: 818-507-6800
* Bankruptcy specialist cert. by State Bar of CA Bd of Legal
Specialization.
higginbothamlaw@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 10:59 AM
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Deceased Ch. 7 Debtor
A Ch7 case with e deceased debtor in this fact pattern can NOT go forward.
KEITH
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To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Oct 27, 2010 10:51 am
Subject: [cdcbaa] Deceased Ch. 7 Debtor
Hi Everyone,
I have a debtor that died 1 day after the filing of her Chapter 7 case.
Obviously, she won't attend the 341(a) nor do the Financial Management
course. Any advice????
Thanks,
Ty Takeuchi
Message
I respectfully disagree
with my colleague Keith. The case automatically continues. See Rule
1016.


David A.
Tilem
Certified Bankruptcy
Specialist*
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Deceased Ch. 7 Debtor

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:38 am
by Yahoo Bot

I think she should be REQUIRED to take the class - just prop her up in the
classroom. Seriously, though, does she need a discharge? The case
continues.
David A. Tilem
Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*
Law Offices of David A. Tilem (a debt relief agency)
206 N. Jackson Street, #201, Glendale, CA 91206
Tel: 818-507-6000 Fax: 818-507-6800
* Bankruptcy specialist cert. by State Bar of CA Bd of Legal
Specialization.
Tyson
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 10:51 AM
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cdcbaa] Deceased Ch. 7 Debtor
Hi Everyone,
I have a debtor that died 1 day after the filing of her Chapter 7 case.
Obviously, she won't attend the 341(a) nor do the Financial Management
course. Any advice????
Thanks,
Ty Takeuchi
Message
I think she shouldbe REQUIRED to take the class - just prop her up in the classroom.
Seriously, though, does she need a discharge? The case
continues.


David A.
Tilem
Certified Bankruptcy
Specialist*
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Deceased Ch. 7 Debtor

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:23 am
by Yahoo Bot

YES:
The case can go forward. You will need a copy of the death certificate and
the executor of the estate needs to attend the 341(a). I would be a good
idea to let the Chapter 7 trustee know of the situation and send them the
above.
Tyson
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 10:51 AM
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cdcbaa] Deceased Ch. 7 Debtor
Hi Everyone,
I have a debtor that died 1 day after the filing of her Chapter 7 case.
Obviously, she won't attend the 341(a) nor do the Financial Management
course. Any advice????
Thanks,
Ty Takeuchi
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Deceased Ch. 7 Debtor

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:20 am
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If the judge does not grant the order excusing debtors appearance, please
let us all know so that we can make an informed decision whether we want to
show up at the same meeting with this debtor.
John D. Faucher
On 10/27/10 11:06 AM, "P L" wrote:
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> File a motion for order excusing debtor from compliance with 341(d), see a
> similar motion in 2-10-bk-43434-RN
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> Peter M. Lively, JD/MBA
> Law Office of Peter M. Lively * Personal Financial Law Center I
> 11268 Washington Blvd, Suite 203, Culver City, CA 90230-4647
> Telephone: (310)391-2400 * (800)307-3328 * Fax: (310)391-2462
> A-Bankruptcy-Attorney.com
> Personal Financial Law Center II - Costa Mesa, CA
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> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, October 27, 2010 10:51:06 AM
> Subject: [cdcbaa] Deceased Ch. 7 Debtor
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
> I have a debtor that died 1 day after the filing of her Chapter 7 case.
> Obviously, she won't attend the 341(a) nor do the Financial Management course.
> Any advice????
> Thanks,
> Ty Takeuchi
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>>> - John D. Faucher
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Re: [cdcbaa] Deceased Ch. 7 Debtor
If the judge does not grant the order excusing debtor’s appearance, please let us all know so that we can make an informed decision whether we want to show up at the same meeting with this debtor.
John D. Faucher
On 10/27/10 11:06 AM, "P L" <petermlively2000@yahoo.com> wrote:



File a motion for order excusing debtor from compliance with 341(d), see a similar motion in 2-10-bk-43434-RN

Peter M. Lively, JD/MBA
Law Office of Peter M. Lively * Personal Financial Law Center I
11268 Washington Blvd, Suite 203, Culver City, CA 90230-4647
Telephone: (310)391-2400 * (800)307-3328 * Fax: (310)391-2462
A-Bankruptcy-Attorney.com
Personal Financial Law Center II - Costa Mesa, CA
THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED, AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAW. IF THE READER OF THIS MESSAGE IS NOT THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, OR THE EMPLOYEE OR AGENT RESPONSIBLE FOR DELIVERING THE MESSAGE TO THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED THAT ANY DISSEMINATION, DISTRIBUTION OR COPYING OF THIS COMMUNICATION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS COMMUNICATION IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY US IMMEDIATELY BY E-MAIL OR BY TELEPHONE. THANK YOU.
From: Tyson <tysonlawfirm@yahoo.com>
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, October 27, 2010 10:51:06 AM
Subject: [cdcbaa] Deceased Ch. 7 Debtor

Hi Everyone,
I have a debtor that died 1 day after the filing of her Chapter 7 case. Obviously, she won't attend the 341(a) nor do the Financial Management course. Any advice????
Thanks,
Ty Takeuchi



- John D. Faucher

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Deceased Ch. 7 Debtor

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:20 am
by Yahoo Bot

Thanks Peter,
I'll try your motion.
Sincerely,
Tyson M. Takeuchi, Esq.
Tyson M. Takeuchi
Certified
Bankruptcy Specialist*^
Law Offices of Tyson M. Takeuchi
1100
Wilshire Blvd., Ste. 2606
Los Angeles, CA 90017
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637-1866
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*By State Bar of California Board of
Legal Specialization
^Consumer Bankruptcy Specialist Certified by
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To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 11:08:51 -0700
Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Deceased Ch. 7 Debtor
and don't forget waiver of requirement under 727(a)(1) as well
Peter M. Lively, JD/MBA
Law Office of Peter M. Lively * Personal Financial Law Center I
11268 Washington Blvd, Suite 203, Culver City, CA 90230-4647
Telephone: (310)391-2400 * (800)307-3328 * Fax: (310)391-2462
A-Bankruptcy-Attorney.com
Personal Financial Law Center II - Costa Mesa, CA
THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED, AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAW. IF THE READER OF THIS MESSAGE IS NOT THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, OR THE EMPLOYEE OR AGENT RESPONSIBLE FOR DELIVERING THE MESSAGE TO THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED THAT ANY DISSEMINATION, DISTRIBUTION OR COPYING OF THIS COMMUNICATION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS COMMUNICATION IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY US IMMEDIATELY BY E-MAIL OR BY TELEPHONE. THANK YOU.

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Deceased Ch. 7 Debtor

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:08 am
by Yahoo Bot

and don't forget waiver of requirement under727(a)(1) as well
Law Office of Peter M. Lively * Personal Financial Law Center I
11268 Washington Blvd, Suite 203, Culver City, CA 90230-4647
Telephone: (310)391-2400 * (800)307-3328 * Fax: (310)391-2462
A-Bankruptcy-Attorney.com
Personal Financial Law Center II - Costa Mesa, CA
THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHICH
IT IS ADDRESSED, AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL
AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAW. IF THE READER OF THIS MESSAGE
IS NOT THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, OR THE EMPLOYEE OR AGENT RESPONSIBLE FOR
DELIVERING THE MESSAGE TO THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED THAT
ANY DISSEMINATION, DISTRIBUTION OR COPYING OF THIS COMMUNICATION IS STRICTLY
PROHIBITED. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS COMMUNICATION IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY US
IMMEDIATELY BY E-MAIL OR BY TELEPHONE. THANK YOU.
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To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, October 27, 2010 10:51:06 AM
Subject: [cdcbaa] Deceased Ch. 7 Debtor
Hi Everyone,
I have a debtor that died 1 day after the filing of her Chapter 7 case.
Obviously, she won't attend the 341(a) nor do the Financial Management course.
Any advice????
Thanks,
Ty Takeuchi
and don't forget waiver of requirement under 727(a)(1) as well Peter M. Lively, JD/MBALaw Office of Peter M. Lively * Personal Financial Law Center I11268 Washington Blvd, Suite 203, Culver City, CA 90230-4647Telephone: (310)391-2400 * (800)307-3328 * Fax: (310)391-2462 A-Bankruptcy-Attorney.comPersonal Financial Law Center II - Costa Mesa, CA
THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED, AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAW. IF THE READER OF THIS MESSAGE IS NOT THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, OR THE EMPLOYEE OR AGENT RESPONSIBLE FOR DELIVERING THE MESSAGE TO THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED THAT ANY DISSEMINATION, DISTRIBUTION OR COPYING OF THIS COMMUNICATION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS COMMUNICATION IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY US IMMEDIATELY BY E-MAIL OR BY TELEPHONE. THANK YOU.
From: Tyson <tysonlawfirm@yahoo.com>To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.comSent: Wed, October 27, 2010 10:51:06 AMSubject: [cdcbaa] Deceased Ch. 7 Debtor
Hi Everyone,I have a debtor that died 1 day after the filing of her Chapter 7 case. Obviously, she won't attend the 341(a) nor do the Financial Management course. Any advice????Thanks,Ty Takeuchi

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Deceased Ch. 7 Debtor

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:06 am
by Yahoo Bot

File a motion for orderexcusing debtor fromcompliance with 341(d), see a
similar motion in 2-10-bk-43434-RN
Law Office of Peter M. Lively * Personal Financial Law Center I
11268 Washington Blvd, Suite 203, Culver City, CA 90230-4647
Telephone: (310)391-2400 * (800)307-3328 * Fax: (310)391-2462
A-Bankruptcy-Attorney.com
Personal Financial Law Center II - Costa Mesa, CA
THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHICH
IT IS ADDRESSED, AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL
AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAW. IF THE READER OF THIS MESSAGE
IS NOT THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, OR THE EMPLOYEE OR AGENT RESPONSIBLE FOR
DELIVERING THE MESSAGE TO THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED THAT
ANY DISSEMINATION, DISTRIBUTION OR COPYING OF THIS COMMUNICATION IS STRICTLY
PROHIBITED. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS COMMUNICATION IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY US
IMMEDIATELY BY E-MAIL OR BY TELEPHONE. THANK YOU.
________________________________
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, October 27, 2010 10:51:06 AM
Subject: [cdcbaa] Deceased Ch. 7 Debtor
Hi Everyone,
I have a debtor that died 1 day after the filing of her Chapter 7 case.
Obviously, she won't attend the 341(a) nor do the Financial Management course.
Any advice????
Thanks,
Ty Takeuchi
File a motion for order excusing debtor from compliance with 341(d), see a similar motion in 2-10-bk-43434-RN Peter M. Lively, JD/MBALaw Office of Peter M. Lively * Personal Financial Law Center I11268 Washington Blvd, Suite 203, Culver City, CA 90230-4647Telephone: (310)391-2400 * (800)307-3328 * Fax: (310)391-2462 A-Bankruptcy-Attorney.comPersonal Financial Law Center II - Costa Mesa, CA
THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED, AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAW. IF THE READER OF THIS MESSAGE IS NOT THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, OR THE EMPLOYEE OR AGENT RESPONSIBLE FOR DELIVERING THE MESSAGE TO THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED THAT ANY DISSEMINATION, DISTRIBUTION OR COPYING OF THIS COMMUNICATION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS COMMUNICATION IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY US IMMEDIATELY BY E-MAIL OR BY TELEPHONE. THANK YOU.
From: Tyson <tysonlawfirm@yahoo.com>To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.comSent: Wed, October 27, 2010 10:51:06 AMSubject: [cdcbaa] Deceased Ch. 7 Debtor
Hi Everyone,I have a debtor that died 1 day after the filing of her Chapter 7 case. Obviously, she won't attend the 341(a) nor do the Financial Management course. Any advice????Thanks,Ty Takeuchi

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Deceased Ch. 7 Debtor

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:03 am
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Interesting! My experience with the Ch7 Trustees in this situation is other -- but yes I agree, I would contact the Ch7 Trustee by letter and attach a copy of the death certificate and see what her position is on this matter.
KEITH
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Oct 27, 2010 10:59 am
Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Deceased Ch. 7 Debtor
FRBP 1016 states that "Death or incompetency of the debtor shall not abate a liquidation case under chapter 7 of the Code. In such event the estate shall be administered and the case concluded in the same manner, so far as possible, as though the death or incompetency had not occurred."
I would send a letter to the Trustee and USTO re: the death and let them decide what to do. If the discharge is necessary (i.e. to protect the non-exempt assets from creditors so heirs of the debtor can take them) then you may want to file a motion to waive the requirement of the 341a and financial management course (the purpose of the fin. mgt. course, ostensibly, is to educate the debtor and prevent recurrence of the debt accumulation that occurred prepetition.. Given the death, that is unlikely to recur.)
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Law Office of Mark J. Markus
11684 Ventura Blvd. PMB #403
Studio City, CA 91604-2652
(818)509-1173 (818)509-1460 (fax)
web: http://www.bklaw.com/
This Firm is a Qualified Federal Debt Relief Agency (see what this means athttp://bklaw.com/bankruptcy-blog/2008/09/debt-relief-agencies-definition/)
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On 10/27/2010 10:51 AM, Tyson wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I have a debtor that died 1 day after the filing of her Chapter 7 case. Obviously, she won't attend the 341(a) nor do the Financial Management course. Any advice????
Thanks,
Ty Takeuchi
Yahoo! Groups Links
Interesting! My experience with the Ch7 Trustees in this situation is other copy of the death certificate and see what her position is on this matter.
KEITH
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To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Oct 27, 2010 10:59 am
Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Deceased Ch. 7 Debtor

FRBP 1016 states that "Death or incompetency of the debtor shall
not abate a liquidation case under chapter 7 of the Code. In such
event the estate shall be administered and the case concluded in
the same manner, so far as possible, as though the death or
incompetency had not occurred."
I would send a letter to the Trustee and USTO re: the death and let
them decide what to do. If the discharge is necessary (i.e. to
protect the non-exempt assets from creditors so heirs of the debtor
can take them) then you may want to file a motion to waive the
requirement of the 341a and financial management course (the
purpose of the fin. mgt. course, ostensibly, is to educate the
debtor and prevent recurrence of the debt accumulation that occurred
prepetition.. Given the death, that is unlikely to recur.)
*************************
Mark J. Markus
Law Office of Mark J. Markus
11684 Ventura Blvd. PMB #403
Studio City, CA 91604-2652
(818)509-1173 (818)509-1460 (fax)
web: http://www.bklaw.com/
This Firm is a Qualified Federal Debt Relief Agency (see what this
means at

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