I don't think anyone is questioning Andy's depth of experience and
expertise. Nor is anyone asking to hold the clerks to answer questions they
normally would not answer in an MCLE presentation, which I assume will
encompass questions broader than those benign questions. As we all can see
from the subject heading, there was a call to the group asking for
suggestions to the clerks for the upcoming MCLE. If the moderator deems the
suggested question to be inappropriate or generally unhelpful to the group,
it simply need not be asked to the clerk. In general though, Christine's
list of questions point to the fact that, as Cameron noted, there is no
step-by-step procedural manual like TRG CPBT (as far as I can tell). For
many of us, this is precisely the reason why we joined CDCBAA in the first
place: to learn from others who've been in the trenches whether through the
listserv or personal contact or the excellent MCLE's.
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On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 7:30 AM, wrote:
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> Many of you don't know Andy and he doesn't need me to defend him, but be
> assured that his depth of experience should not be questioned. With regards
> to questions for law clerks, as a former clerk, I can tell you that while in
> chambers I could not answer any substantive or procedural inquiry (as
> directed by both judges I clerked for). I could answer benign questions such
> as "has the judge signed my order?" "Is a particular date appropriate for my
> motion?" Any other type of question went politely unanswered.
>
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> *Date: *Mon, 8 Mar 2010 06:59:39 -0800
> *To: *
> *Subject: *RE: [cdcbaa] Questions for the Clerks March 20 Meeting
>
>
>
> Summing up: People will help those who try to help themselves. Many
> questions illuminate the character of the asker.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:*
cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
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> Of *Andrew Goodman
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 06, 2010 3:13 PM
> *To:*
cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [cdcbaa] Questions for the Clerks March 20 Meeting
>
> With all due respect, the clerks have so much work to do and so many
> pleadings to process they really have NO time to mentor or teach young or
> lazy (no offense) lawyers who are either new to bankruptcy, want to become
> bankruptcy lawyers because of the "nature of the times". The court with the
> assistance of the Bar went through more than a year ago and re-wrote the
> Local Bankruptcy Rules and created a Court Manual. The CDCBAA put pon a
> GREAT program in January 2009 explaining the changes in the Rules. When I
> was a younger bk lawyer, if I didn't understand how to file or obtain a
> hearing date, I READ the Local Rules or perhaps asked my secretary or a more
> seasoned lawyer. If you want to make some enemies, call the judges clerk and
> ask them how to do something that's clearly in the local rules. As to filing
> dates and emergency motions, if you go to the website/information/judges
> name, each judge has set up self-calendaring procedures and procedures for
> emergency motions, etc.
>
> This is not "ROCKET SURGERY" (and yes, I know exactly what I wrote). Read
> the rules, do your homework or find a mentor - but leave the clerks of the
> court alone. They are underpaid/overworked, very nice people who don't need
> to be harassed by lawyers too lazy to do their job. Sorry if this is a
> little strong worked, but after doing this for over 25 years, during a time
> when there was NO internet and everything was hand filed, with extra copies
> that had to be tabbed and blue-backed, I think the attorneys working in the
> bankruptcy community today have it incredibly EASY.
>
>
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> ------------------------------
> *From:* Jacob Chang
> *To:*
cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Tue, March 2, 2010 3:00:13 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [cdcbaa] Questions for the Clerks March 20 Meeting
>
>
>
> Great points all around, Christine!
> As much as I've looked, though I could have easily missed something, I
> haven't been able to find the step-by-step action guide for bankruptcy
> practice, especially within the context of a motion or AP practice. It
> seems these are trade secrets passed down from mentor to mentee.
>
> If there is something like this, please point us in the right direction.
>
> Jacob D. Chang, Esq.
> Law Offices of Jacob D. Chang
> 1600 Wilshire Boulevard, Third Floor
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> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Christine Wilton gmail.com > wrote:
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>>
>>
>> Hello Esteemed Board and Colleagues:
>>
>> I would like to pose the following questions to our upcoming panel of
>> Clerks:
>>
>> 1. Step by step Motions; from filing, calendaring, serving notice, etc.
>> Please cite the rules and where I can find the answers and in what order
>> these steps should be accomplished. [just a handout is all I need really]
>>
>> 2. Is there some Clerk's Outline? Can we get an inside look at the
>> Clerk's training manual?
>>
>> 3. Can we have a Clerk's Hotline for our generally basic questions before
>> we attempt tasks on our own?
>>
>> 4. Can I volunteer to be a clerk for a day and follow them around? Kind
>> of like a ride-along with a cop.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --
>> Christine A. Wilton
>> Principal Attorney
>> Greifendorff Law Offices
>> 4067 Hardwick Street, #319
>> Lakewood, CA 90712
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