Central District Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney's Association

Just to play Devil's Advocate...what if you argued collecting outside SOL
instead of collecting after discharge? And if it is on credit report, that
could bring more FDCPA and FCRA violations as well.
I think the way you are doing it is the surer course, unless there are other
violations, but the other may open up more options UNLESS it would need to
be done in BK court also.
On Jan 9, 2008 6:03 PM, Patrick Green wrote:
> Collection action. The client has the right to be left alone. Outside
> the 9th circuit, it would be an FDCPA action, but here we have to go back
> to the BK court for damages.
>
>
>
> Patrick T. Green
>
> 1010 E. Union Street
>
> Suite 206
>
> Pasadena, CA 91106
>
> Tel: 626-449-8433
>
> Fax: 626-449-0565
>
> pat@fitzgreenlaw.com
>
>
>
> *From:* cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf
> Of *Mtotaro@aol.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:58 AM
> *To:* cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [cdcbaa] Discharge injunction question
>
>
>
> Just curious. What's the point here. Anything from 1992 would be barred by
> the S/L anyway and could be removed from the credit report unless it has
> been reduced to judgment
>
>
>
> Michael R. Totaro J.D., L.LM.
> Totaro & Shanahan
> P.O. Box 789
> Pacific Palisades, CA 90272
> 310 573 0276 (v) 310 712 6317 (f)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shapein the new year.
>
>
>
NEW ADDRESS!
Amy E. C. Kleinpeter
Law Offices of Amy E. Clark Kleinpeter
1489 E. Colorado Boulevard #206
Pasadena, CA 91106
www.amykleinpeter.com
I am required to disclose that The Law Offices of Amy E. Clark Kleinpeter is
a
Debt Relief Agency as defined by the United States Bankruptcy Act of 2005.
I
am a lawyer who proudly represents debtors in bankruptcy cases.
Just to play Devil's Advocate...what if you argued collecting outside SOL instead of collecting after discharge? And if it is on credit report, that could bring more FDCPA and FCRA violations as well.I think the way you are doing it is the surer course, unless there are other violations, but the other may open up more options UNLESS it would need to be done in BK court also.
-- Amy KleinpeterOn Jan 9, 2008 6:03 PM, Patrick Green <pat@fitzgreenlaw.com> wrote:
Collection action. The client
has the right to be left alone. Outside the 9th circuit, it would
be an FDCPA action, but here we have to go back to the BK court for damages.

Patrick T. Green
1010 E. Union Street
Suite 206
Pasadena, CA 91106
Tel: 626-449-8433
Fax: 626-449-0565
pat@fitzgreenlaw.com

From:
cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Mtotaro@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:58 AM
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Discharge injunction question

Just curious. What's the point here. Anything from 1992 would be
barred by the S/L anyway and could be removed from the credit report unless it
has been reduced to judgment

Michael R. Totaro J.D., L.LM.
Totaro & Shanahan
P.O. Box 789
Pacific Palisades, CA 90272
310 573 0276 (v) 310 712 6317 (f)
Start the year off right.
Easy
ways to stay in shape in the new year.
-- NEW ADDRESS!Amy E. C. KleinpeterLaw Offices of Amy E. Clark Kleinpeter1489 E. Colorado Boulevard #206Pasadena, CA 91106
www.amykleinpeter.comI am required to disclose that The Law Offices of Amy E. Clark Kleinpeter is aDebt Relief Agency as defined by the United States Bankruptcy Act of 2005. Iam a lawyer who proudly represents debtors in bankruptcy cases.

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Collection action. The client has the right to be left alone. Outside the
9th circuit, it would be an FDCPA action, but here we have to go back to the
BK court for damages.
Patrick T. Green
1010 E. Union Street
Suite 206
Pasadena, CA 91106
Tel: 626-449-8433
Fax: 626-449-0565
pat@fitzgreenlaw.com

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Pat:
If it is so old that a pdf is not on PACER, the file is maintained in the
Federal Archieve in Laguna Nigel. I do not have the number or address, but
they will send a copy to the requestor. You can get the address from the
Clerk's office of the USBC.
Hank
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Los Angeles, California 90049-6113
Telephone: (310) 479-1400
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E-Mail: hmt@toles.org
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-----Original Message-----
Patrick Green
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:42
To: cdcbaa
Subject: [cdcbaa] Discharge injunction question
Client filed 7 in 1992, says Cap One was discharged. Pacer shows filing
and closing, but does not say yea or nay on discharge. How do I get doc
showing discharge? Client no longer his copies.
Patrick T. Green
1010 E. Union Street
Suite 206
Pasadena, CA 91106
Tel: 626-449-8433
Fax: 626-449-0565
pat@fitzgreenlaw.com
Pat:

If it
is so old that a pdf is not on PACER, the file is maintained in the FederalArchieve in Laguna Nigel. I do not have the number or address, but they
will send a copy to the requestor. You can get the address from the
Clerk's office of the USBC.

Hank

Henry M. Toles, J.D., M.B.A.Henry M. Toles, A Law
Corporation11746 Goshen Avenue, No. 1Los Angeles, California
90049-6113Telephone: (310) 479-1400Facsimile: (310) 575-0343E-Mail:
hmt@toles.orgMember National Association of Consumer Bankruptcy
Attorneys (NACBA)We are a federally designated Debt Relief Agency under
the United StatesBankruptcy Laws. We assist people with finding solutions to
their debtproblems, including, where appropriate, assisting them with the
filingof petitions for relief under the United States Bankruptcy
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-----Original Message-----From: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Patrick
GreenSent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:42To:
cdcbaaSubject: [cdcbaa] Discharge injunction
question

Client filed 7 in 1992, says Cap One was discharged.
Pacer shows filing and closing, but does not say yea or nay on
discharge. How do I get doc showing discharge? Client no longer
his copies.

Patrick T. Green
1010 E. Union Street
Suite 206
Pasadena, CA 91106
Tel: 626-449-8433
Fax: 626-449-0565
pat@fitzgreenlaw.com


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Thank you.
Patrick T. Green
1010 E. Union Street
Suite 206
Pasadena, CA 91106
Tel: 626-449-8433
Fax: 626-449-0565
pat@fitzgreenlaw.com

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Or you can send someone down - with a reservation.
You need to call Clerk's office to get box # before making reservation - See
Court Manual which explains procedures
David A. Tilem
Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*
Law Offices of David A. Tilem (a debt relief agency)
206 N. Jackson Street, #201, Glendale, CA 91206
Tel: 818-507-6000 Fax: 818-507-6800
* Bankruptcy specialist cert. by State Bar of CA Bd of Legal
Specialization.
Mark JM
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:55 AM
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Discharge injunction question
Laguna Niguel archives if you can't get it online somehow. Should be about
$45 or so to order the entire file, but it takes 6-8 weeks.
______________________
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Law Office of Mark J. Markus
11684 Ventura Blvd. PMB #403
Studio City, CA 91604-2652
(818)509-1173 (818)509-1460 (fax)
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To: cdcbaa
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:41 AM
Subject: [cdcbaa] Discharge injunction question
Client filed 7 in 1992, says Cap One was discharged. Pacer shows filing and
closing, but does not say yea or nay on discharge. How do I get doc showing
discharge? Client no longer his copies.
Patrick T. Green
1010 E. Union Street
Suite 206
Pasadena, CA 91106
Tel: 626-449-8433
Fax: 626-449-0565
pat@fitzgreenlaw. com
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Or you can send someone
down - with a reservation.
You need to call Clerk's
office to get box # before making reservation - See Court Manual which explains
procedures


David A.
Tilem
Certified Bankruptcy
Specialist*
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Just curious. What's the point here. Anything from 1992 would be barred by
the S/L anyway and could be removed from the credit report unless it has been
reduced to judgment

Michael R. Totaro J.D., L.LM.
Totaro & Shanahan
P.O. Box 789
Pacific Palisades, CA 90272
310 573 0276 (v) 310 712 6317 (f)
**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.

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Laguna Niguel archives if you can't get it online somehow. Should be about $45 or so to order the entire file, but it takes 6-8 weeks.
______________________
Mark J. Markus
Law Office of Mark J. Markus
11684 Ventura Blvd. PMB #403
Studio City, CA 91604-2652
(818)509-1173 (818)509-1460 (fax)
web: http://www.bklaw.com/
This Firm is a Qualified Federal Debt Relief Agency
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----- Original Message -----
To: cdcbaa
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:41 AM
Subject: [cdcbaa] Discharge injunction question
Client filed 7 in 1992, says Cap One was discharged. Pacer shows filing and closing, but does not say yea or nay on discharge. How do I get doc showing discharge? Client no longer his copies.
Patrick T. Green
1010 E. Union Street
Suite 206
Pasadena, CA 91106
Tel: 626-449-8433
Fax: 626-449-0565
pat@fitzgreenlaw.com
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somehow. Should be about $45 or so to order the entire file, but it takes
6-8 weeks.

______________________Mark J. MarkusLaw
Office of Mark J. Markus11684 Ventura Blvd. PMB #403Studio City, CA91604-2652(818)509-1173 (818)509-1460 (fax)web: http://www.bklaw.com/This Firm is aQualified Federal Debt Relief Agency___________NOTICE: This Electronic
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----- Original Message -----
From:
Patrick
Green
To: cdcbaa
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:41
AM
Subject: [cdcbaa] Discharge injunction
question


Client filed 7 in 1992, says Cap One was discharged.
Pacer shows filing and closing, but does not say yea or nay on
discharge. How do I get doc showing discharge? Client no longer
his copies.

Patrick T. Green
1010 E. Union Street
Suite 206
Pasadena, CA 91106
Tel: 626-449-8433
Fax: 626-449-0565

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Those files should be available at the Federal archives in Laguna Niguel. I've had our attorney service get documents from there in the past - though it sometimes takes awhile.
James R. Selth
Weintraub & Selth, APC
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To: "cdcbaa"
Sent: 1/09/2008 10:41AM
Subject: [cdcbaa] Discharge injunction question
>> Client filed 7 in 1992, says Cap One was discharged. Pacer shows filing and
>> closing, but does not say yea or nay on discharge. How do I get doc showing
>> discharge? Client no longer his copies.
>>
>>
>>
>> Patrick T. Green
>>
>> 1010 E. Union Street
>>
>> Suite 206
>>
>> Pasadena, CA 91106
>>
>> Tel: 626-449-8433
>>
>> Fax: 626-449-0565
>>
>> pat@fitzgreenlaw.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
Those files should be available at the Federal archives in Laguna Niguel. I've had our attorney service get documents from there in the past - though it sometimes takes awhile.

James R. Selth
Weintraub & Selth, APC
12424 Wilshire Blvd., Suite 1120
Los Angeles, CA 90025
Telephone: (310) 207-1494
Facsimile: (310) 442-0660
E-Mail: jim@wsrlaw.net

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--- Original Message---
To: "cdcbaa"
Sent: 1/09/2008 10:41AM
Subject: [cdcbaa] Discharge injunction question

>> Client filed 7 in 1992, says Cap One was discharged. Pacer shows filing and
>> closing, but does not say yea or nay on discharge. How do I get doc showing
>> discharge? Client no longer his copies.
>>
>>
>>
>> Patrick T. Green
>>
>> 1010 E. Union Street
>>
>> Suite 206
>>
>> Pasadena, CA 91106
>>
>> Tel: 626-449-8433
>>
>> Fax: 626-449-0565
>>
>> pat@fitzgreenlaw.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>


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Client filed 7 in 1992, says Cap One was discharged. Pacer shows filing and
closing, but does not say yea or nay on discharge. How do I get doc showing
discharge? Client no longer his copies.
Patrick T. Green
1010 E. Union Street
Suite 206
Pasadena, CA 91106
Tel: 626-449-8433
Fax: 626-449-0565
pat@fitzgreenlaw.com
Client filed 7 in 1992, says Cap One was discharged. Pacer
shows filing and closing, but does not say yea or nay on discharge. How do I
get doc showing discharge? Client no longer his copies.

Patrick T. Green
1010 E. Union Street
Suite 206
Pasadena, CA 91106
Tel: 626-449-8433
Fax: 626-449-0565
pat@fitzgreenlaw.com


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