Central District Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney's Association

Gerry,
That would make sense because of Collateral Estoppel - Res Judicata
(Claim and Issue Preclusion), as both of those require trial on the
merits.
Best regards. Lou
>
> Dear Lou,
>
> I received a reply from Dennis McGoldrick that the Keller case
applies (according to the BAP--his case, Beverly, is on appeal to the
9th Circuit) only after a trial, not a settlement, and UFTA and 548
would apply to a settlement. Sounds like my client is screwed, unless
he takes his entire settlement out of the pension plan.
>
> The marital estate is $200k, 50k in cash held by H and 150k in a
pension plan in a corp owned jointly, although W has separated her
interest. W is proposing a settlement where she gets $10k cash and
90k pension.
>
>
> Gerry
> Gerry McNally
> 206 N. Jackson St. #100
> Glendale, CA 91206
> ----- Original Message -----
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 02/24/2008 5:51 PM
> Subject: [cdcbaa] Re: Divorce Judgments after BAPCPA
>
>
> And, the division of property is not to be avoided as a fraudulent
> transfer, either, correct?
>
> Best regards. Lou
>
> --- In cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com, Dennis McGoldrick wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- Gerry McNally wrote:
> >
> > > To all who have expertise in the intersection of
> > > Family Law and Bankruptcy.
> > >
> > > H & W are getting a divorce....
> > >
> > > When I review In Re Keller (9th Cir BAP, 1994, one
> > > of many 9th Circuit cases on this issue), it appears
> > > that once a California judge has a) issued a
> > > judgment of dissolution which identifies the
> > > properties to be divided; b) actually divides those
> > > properties; and c) the properties have actually been
> > > divided.....then the properties which now belong to
> > > H are not part of W's bankruptcy estate under
> > > 541(a), unless the property is secured by a debt
> > > which is W's responsibility.
> > >
> > > Are there any post BAPCPA cases or other decisions
> > > which would change the result in Keller?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > In re Beverly: bap decision now on appeal to the 9th
> > cir. The Keller decision, according to Judge Klien,
> > is limited to an actual court division after trial,
> > not to a settlement approved by the court, and both
> > 548 and the uniform transfer act apply to settlements.
> >
> >
> > My client, Mr. Beverly, is appealing.
> >
> > dennis
> >
> >
> >
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Dear Lou,
I received a reply from Dennis McGoldrick that the Keller case applies (according to the BAP--his case, Beverly, is on appeal to the 9th Circuit) only after a trial, not a settlement, and UFTA and 548 would apply to a settlement. Sounds like my client is screwed, unless he takes his entire settlement out of the pension plan.
The marital estate is $200k, 50k in cash held by H and 150k in a pension plan in a corp owned jointly, although W has separated her interest. W is proposing a settlement where she gets $10k cash and 90k pension.
Gerry
Gerry McNally
206 N. Jackson St. #100
Glendale, CA 91206
----- Original Message -----
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 02/24/2008 5:51 PM
Subject: [cdcbaa] Re: Divorce Judgments after BAPCPA
And, the division of property is not to be avoided as a fraudulent
transfer, either, correct?
Best regards. Lou
--- In cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com, Dennis McGoldrick wrote:
>
>
> --- Gerry McNally wrote:
>
> > To all who have expertise in the intersection of
> > Family Law and Bankruptcy.
> >
> > H & W are getting a divorce....
> >
> > When I review In Re Keller (9th Cir BAP, 1994, one
> > of many 9th Circuit cases on this issue), it appears
> > that once a California judge has a) issued a
> > judgment of dissolution which identifies the
> > properties to be divided; b) actually divides those
> > properties; and c) the properties have actually been
> > divided.....then the properties which now belong to
> > H are not part of W's bankruptcy estate under
> > 541(a), unless the property is secured by a debt
> > which is W's responsibility.
> >
> > Are there any post BAPCPA cases or other decisions
> > which would change the result in Keller?
> >
> >
>
> In re Beverly: bap decision now on appeal to the 9th
> cir. The Keller decision, according to Judge Klien,
> is limited to an actual court division after trial,
> not to a settlement approved by the court, and both
> 548 and the uniform transfer act apply to settlements.
>
>
> My client, Mr. Beverly, is appealing.
>
> dennis
>
>
>

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And, the division of property is not to be avoided as a fraudulent
transfer, either, correct?
Best regards. Lou
>
>
> --- Gerry McNally wrote:
>
> > To all who have expertise in the intersection of
> > Family Law and Bankruptcy.
> >
> > H & W are getting a divorce....
> >
> > When I review In Re Keller (9th Cir BAP, 1994, one
> > of many 9th Circuit cases on this issue), it appears
> > that once a California judge has a) issued a
> > judgment of dissolution which identifies the
> > properties to be divided; b) actually divides those
> > properties; and c) the properties have actually been
> > divided.....then the properties which now belong to
> > H are not part of W's bankruptcy estate under
> > 541(a), unless the property is secured by a debt
> > which is W's responsibility.
> >
> > Are there any post BAPCPA cases or other decisions
> > which would change the result in Keller?
> >
> >
>
> In re Beverly: bap decision now on appeal to the 9th
> cir. The Keller decision, according to Judge Klien,
> is limited to an actual court division after trial,
> not to a settlement approved by the court, and both
> 548 and the uniform transfer act apply to settlements.
>
>
> My client, Mr. Beverly, is appealing.
>
> dennis
>
>
>

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> To all who have expertise in the intersection of
> Family Law and Bankruptcy.
>
> H & W are getting a divorce....
>
> When I review In Re Keller (9th Cir BAP, 1994, one
> of many 9th Circuit cases on this issue), it appears
> that once a California judge has a) issued a
> judgment of dissolution which identifies the
> properties to be divided; b) actually divides those
> properties; and c) the properties have actually been
> divided.....then the properties which now belong to
> H are not part of W's bankruptcy estate under
> 541(a), unless the property is secured by a debt
> which is W's responsibility.
>
> Are there any post BAPCPA cases or other decisions
> which would change the result in Keller?
>
>
In re Beverly: bap decision now on appeal to the 9th
cir. The Keller decision, according to Judge Klien,
is limited to an actual court division after trial,
not to a settlement approved by the court, and both
548 and the uniform transfer act apply to settlements.
My client, Mr. Beverly, is appealing.
dennis

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To all who have expertise in the intersection of Family Law and Bankruptcy.
H & W are getting a divorce...in process for 3 years. They are negotiating the split of the balance of their property, part cash and part pension plan.
W has a business on the brink of failure and has informed H that she's about to file a Chapter 7 petition...the wolves are baying.
When I review In Re Keller (9th Cir BAP, 1994, one of many 9th Circuit cases on this issue), it appears that once a California judge has a) issued a judgment of dissolution which identifies the properties to be divided; b) actually divides those properties; and c) the properties have actually been divided.....then the properties which now belong to H are not part of W's bankruptcy estate under 541(a), unless the property is secured by a debt which is W's responsibility.
Are there any post BAPCPA cases or other decisions which would change the result in Keller?
Gerald McNally
MCNALLY & ASSOCIATES, P.C.
206 N. Jackson St. #100
Glendale, CA 91206
818-507-5100
----- Original Message -----
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 02/21/2008 1:51 PM
Subject: RE: [cdcbaa] Objecting to reinstatement figure in Ch. 13
I would argue equitable estoppel and unclean hands.
Good luck, M. Chekian
Chekian Law Office
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Los Angeles, CA 90064
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e-mail: mike@cheklaw.com
Mark JM
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 12:21 AM
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cdcbaa] Objecting to reinstatement figure in Ch. 13
For all you Ch. 13 mortgage experts out there:
If a debtor received, pre-petition, a reinstatement statement, good through the petition filing date, and used that figure in the plan calculations, and then that same creditor files a proof of claim showing a much higher arrearage amount (adding in escrow advances, and other fees), can I use the pre-petition document as a basis to object to the claim, or is the proof of claim going to supercede that?
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