professional behavior
Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 2:37 pm
Great explanation! Thank you. I'll keep that in mind.
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Patrick Green wrote:
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> Many concerns about judges, trustees, UST staff or other members of the
> BK community are appropriate for Listserve discussion, if they are presented
> in what is often described as a professional manner. As an example, I will
> elevate Dennis to the bench for sake of discussion.
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> I had a matter with Judge Mick and once again he pulled the rug out from
> under my client. As usual he didnt read the pleading, he didnt rule
> timely and he didnt give a reason for denying my petition-he was probably
> too busy surfing. Fortunately I didnt have to be in his courtroom to hear
> him be his usual obnoxious self (the guy has no social skills-he reminds me
> of a junk yard dog). And his rant about the damn hyphens-the guy must be a
> frustrated English teacher. I cant wait till he comes up for
> re-appointment. We should ream him when the time comes. Maybe we should put
> a fund together to pay for him to get his teaching credential so he can be
> his usual arbitrary and capricious jerk ass self with someone else besides
> our clients.
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> I had a bad outcome with Judge Mc again. I need some advice in how to
> help my client who got what I think is an extremely unjust result. Im
> quite sure he didnt read the pleading, he didnt rule timely and he didnt
> give a reason for denying my petition. The facts are as follows
> slfjlasjdfljasldkfjalskjflasjfjslkdjflksd. I am really frustrated with the
> results that my clients get in his courtroom. Please either post your
> suggestions to the list or contact me off list. TIA
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> The first one should have been a phone call to a trusted colleague to vent
> some steam-probably with many additional colorful adjectives (but without
> the Mick appellation). After the steam is gone, it is much easier to then
> post to the list serve like the second example. Any campaign to keep a
> judge from reappointment can be effectively done off list. Youll get the
> same result and their will nothing there to come back and bite you or cdcbaa
> in the butt.
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> If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me.
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> Pat
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> *From:* cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf
> Of *Law Offices of Jonathan Leventhal
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 08, 2010 12:25 PM
> *To:* cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: [cdcbaa] Re: professional behavior
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> This is from a person who has very little hair left.
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> I think a professional forum is the place to discuss matters that can
> assist our clients. HOWEVER, we are officers of the court and are expected
> to act accordingly. As a practical matter, it does not help yourself or
> your clients to speak improperly of anyone, from clerk to Judge.
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> I treat everyone with respect and professionalism. Not only is it the
> correct thing to do but it is a requirement of our profession.
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> *From:* cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf
> Of *Dennis
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 08, 2010 12:10 PM
> *To:* cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [cdcbaa] Re: professional behavior
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> Because this is a public forum for a professional association. We grey
> hairs don't want our reputations tainted by individual attorney's
> indescretions. And, btw, we can kick you off the listserve for
> nonprofessional behavior.
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> So be professional or you may begone.
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> Dennis
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> On Jul 8, 2010, at 10:37 AM, "shawnswhite" wrote:
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> What bashing? An attorney simply commented that certain policies of a
> certain judge, polices within that judges discretion, were having an adverse
> impact on his clients. He could probably prove it if he had to. Why are
> judges immune to criticism outside of the courtroom? Especially criticism
> directly related to their actions in very public courtrooms? Is their a
> local rule against free speech?
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> --- In cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com, "James T. King" wrote:
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> > Can we please put a stop to this bashing? This is totally inappropriate
> > for this list serve. The same would be true of trustees.
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> > Of Giovanni Orantes
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:39 PM
> > To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
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> > You're entitled to your opinion even if you're wrong. That "some"
> > people have been living beyond their means is irrelevant for those who
> > have lost their jobs in this economic depression and surprisingly found
> > themselves unable to afford the mortgages they once were able to pay. I
> > know there have been worse judges in the past and Santa Barbara is ruled
> > by such a judge, but I choose to be optimistic and hope we get a
> > reasonable one as replacement.
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> > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 5:26 PM, warren brown wrote:
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> > Some clients don't have the money because they have been living beyond
> > their means for too long. The word "capricious" denotes whimsy or
> > unpredictability. The judge to whom you refer has neither of those
> > characteristics. She is quite predictable. She simply has a much higher
> > standard of personal responsibility than most. It is quite inconvenient
> > at times, but there have been a couple over the years who were much
> > worse.
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> > ________________________________
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> > To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
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> > Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 15:54:46 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
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> > Hey, I can deal with individual judges, but some clients don't have the
> > money to do so. Since you can affect the reapp of a judge, part of
> > being a lawyer consists of chiming in with comments when a judge
> > adversely impacts too many people capriciously.
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> > On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:27 PM, warren brown wrote:
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> > How long will you be a lawyer? Learn to deal with individual judges and
> > stop whining
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> > ________________________________
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> > To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 10:13:18 -0700
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> > Subject: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
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> > When is Judge Carroll up for reapp? She is hurting many consumers with
> > her idiosyncratic policies.
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