Based on the amount of the obligation I would suggest listing the debt in F, and then wait and see if the creditor pursues the matter. If the filing deadline passes, do nothing. If the creditor decides to proceed with an AP then you can settle it. Also I have seen some judges say no to reaffirmation of small obligations ( under 2000.00) against the debtor. (EC, JM, TD: based on personal experience, results may vary) (I feel like a drug company making a disclaimer!)
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On Jul 24, 2010, at 12:01 AM, wrote:
> There are a couple things you can do here, as I see it.
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> 1) Simply tell the creditor what happened and that your clients do not want to reaffirm their personal obligation on the loan. Creditor would have to file an AP to try and recover the stolen property and/or file an AP for non-dischargeability of the personal obligation due to bad faith. Considering that the property was stolen, they're not going to file an AP to recover the collateral, and the non-discharegability action seems like a stretch to me. It seems like the relative borrowed the furniture and then it was stolen. I doubt they would pursue this. If your client is nervous about it, settle for a very small amount of money.
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> 2) Your clients could redeem the property under 11 USC 722 and pay the retail value to the creditor -- adjusted for the age of the property and other factors relevant to its condition. Considering that we are talking about a used mattress and spring box -the value would be close to zero.
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> Donny Brand
> Brand | Burris
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> Subject: [cdcbaa] So what happens if the Client no longer has the
> furniture they bought at Dearden's in a chapter 7
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> Client had loan with Dearden's purchasing a bedroom set with mattress & Box Spring. Notably the Mattress and Box Spring has no resale value because those item's can't be resold by retainer. However, with respect to the the four other pieces of furniture, those items were taken by a relative who was foreclosed on and had to move to a new place. She lost everything when tenants robbed her. So feeling sorry for the family member, they gave her the furniture because it was cheap and falling apart. So now when they filed chapter 7 bankruptcy, Dearden's is asking to reaffirm or give back property. I don't recommend reaffirm obviously, and they don't have it to give back. I realize that they could pay fair market for the furniture. But Dearden's is asking for $1,700 on a debt that was $2,100.00. Clients don't want to pay. Now what?
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Based on the amount of the obligation I would suggest listing the debt in F, and then wait and see if the creditor pursues the matter. If the filing deadline passes, do nothing. If the creditor decides to proceed with an AP then you can settle it. Also I have seen some judges say no to reaffirmation of small obligations ( under 2000.00) against the debtor. (EC, JM, TD: based on personal experience, results may vary) (I feel like a drug company making a disclaimer!) Armen ShaghzoShaghzo & Shaghzo Law Firm, APC100 W. broadway, Ste. 540Glendale, CA 91210(818) 241-8887 Sent via IPadConfidentiality Notice: This Electronic message, together with its attachments, if any, is intended to be viewed only by the individual to whom it is addressed. It may contain information that is privileged, confidential, protected health information and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited without our prior permission. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or if you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete the original message and any copies of it from your computer system.On Jul 24, 2010, at 12:01 AM, <
dbrand@brandburris.com> wrote:
There are a couple things you can do here, as I see it.
1) Simply tell the creditor what happened and that your clients do not want to reaffirm their personal obligation on the loan. Creditor would have to file an AP to try and recover the stolen property and/or file an AP for non-dischargeability of the personal obligation due to bad faith. Considering that the property was stolen, they're not going to file an AP to recover the collateral, and the non-discharegability action seems like a stretch to me. It seems like the relative borrowed the furniture and then it was stolen. I doubt they would pursue this. If your client is nervous about it, settle for a very small amount of money.
2) Your clients could redeem the property under 11 USC 722 and pay the retail value to the creditor -- adjusted for the age of the property and other factors relevant to its condition. Considering that we are talking about a used mattress and spring box -the value would be close to zero.
Donny Brand
Brand | Burris
3836 E Anaheim St
Long Beach, CA 90804
www.brandburris.com
Tel: (562) 438-7500
Fax: (562) 438-8500
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