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Yeah, I had a Greenwald case with Brad Krasnoff trustee and the debtor had gone more than 6 months from when he got the funds and he didn't reinvest w/in 6 months because his wife was dying of cancer. AG said the funds were NOT exempt, but he said the debtor ALWAYS has the right to amend his Sch C even if the case is reopened, and we took the wild card and made a deal. That's my experience in Greenwald's court. Chris gautschi
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Subject: RE: [cdcbaa] question regarding voluntary surrender of vehicle
Thanks for the quick response and knowledge!
Wayne A. Wilhelm, Esq.
"David A. Tilem" wrote:
Failure to maintain insurance is post-petition breach of the agreement,
but could also be a post-petition tort for loss of value to the vehicle.
While Chapter 7 made the auto loan "non-recourse", this may not help
her. Consider whether your client is "judgment proof" or whether she
would make a good candidate for Chapter 13, i.e. she has other debts.
Then surrender the vehicle and see how the lender responds.
David A. Tilem
Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*?lt;br>Law Offices of David A. Tilem
500 N. Brand Blvd., #460, Glendale, CA 91203
Tel: 818-507-6000 Fax: 818-507-6800
* Personal & small business bankruptcy specialist cert. by State Bar of
CA Bd of Legal Specialization.
? Business bankruptcy specialist cert. by Amer. Bd. of Certification
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Subject: [cdcbaa] question regarding voluntary surrender of vehicle
I have a client who received a chapter 7 discharge in July 2003. In her statement of intention she elected to retain her vehicle and continue to
make
payments. She was recently involved in an auto accident and she and the
driver of the other vehicle did not have insurance. She now wants to
surrender the vehicle because she cannot afford to fix it and make the payments. Any advice?
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Yeah, I had a Greenwald case with Brad Krasnoff
trustee and the debtor had gone more than 6 months from when he got the funds
and he didn't reinvest w/in 6 months because his wife was dying of cancer. AG
said the funds were NOT exempt, but he said the debtor ALWAYS has the right to
amend his Sch C even if the case is reopened, and we took the wild card and made
a deal. That's my experience in Greenwald's court. Chris
gautschi
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voluntary surrender of vehicle

Thanks for the quick response and knowledge!

Wayne A. Wilhelm, Esq."David A. Tilem" <
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Thanks for the quick response and knowledge.

Wayne A. Wilhelm, Esq.
"Mark J. Markus" wrote:

Sure. Just have her surrender it.

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Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:59 PM
Subject: [cdcbaa] question regarding voluntary surrender of vehicle
I have a client who received a chapter 7 discharge in July 2003. In her
statement of intention she elected to retain her vehicle and continue to make
payments. She was recently involved in an auto accident and she and the
driver of the other vehicle did not have insurance. She now wants to
surrender the vehicle because she cannot afford to fix it and make the
payments. Any advice?
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Wayne A. Wilhelm, Esq."Mark J. Markus" <bklawr@bklaw.com> wrote:

Sure. Just have her surrender it.

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Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:59 PM
Subject: [cdcbaa] question regarding voluntary surrender of vehicle
I have a client who received a chapter 7 discharge in July 2003. In her statement of intention she elected to retain her vehicle and continue to make payments. She was recently involved in an auto accident and she and the driver of the other vehicle did not have insurance. She now wants to surrender the vehicle because she cannot afford to fix it and make the payments. Any advice?Do you Yahoo!?
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Thanks for the quick response and knowledge!

Wayne A. Wilhelm, Esq.
"David A. Tilem" wrote:
Failure to maintain insurance is post-petition breach of the agreement,
but could also be a post-petition tort for loss of value to the vehicle.
While Chapter 7 made the auto loan "non-recourse", this may not help
her. Consider whether your client is "judgment proof" or whether she
would make a good candidate for Chapter 13, i.e. she has other debts.
Then surrender the vehicle and see how the lender responds.
David A. Tilem
Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*?lt;br>Law Offices of David A. Tilem
500 N. Brand Blvd., #460, Glendale, CA 91203
Tel: 818-507-6000 Fax: 818-507-6800
* Personal & small business bankruptcy specialist cert. by State Bar of
CA Bd of Legal Specialization.
? Business bankruptcy specialist cert. by Amer. Bd. of Certification
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:59 PM
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cdcbaa] question regarding voluntary surrender of vehicle
I have a client who received a chapter 7 discharge in July 2003. In her
statement of intention she elected to retain her vehicle and continue to
make
payments. She was recently involved in an auto accident and she and the
driver of the other vehicle did not have insurance. She now wants to
surrender the vehicle because she cannot afford to fix it and make the
payments. Any advice?
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Thanks for the quick response and knowledge!

Wayne A. Wilhelm, Esq."David A. Tilem" <DavidTilem@TilemLaw.com> wrote:

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Thanks for the quick response and knowledge!
"Tyson M. Takeuchi" wrote:Hey Wayne,
My understanding is that upon filing, (and the listing of the vehicle within
the BK schedules), the debtor lost all PERSONAL liability as per that
vehicle. I've had this same situation come up about 10 times over the last
8 years. Simply tell your client to call the finance company and let them
know he/she wants to surrender the vehicle. The finance company will
probably know about the BK and his/her account is probably being handled by
the finance company's BK department or loss recovery department.
I have one case similar to yours that sticks out at me. My client listed
his brand new Acura, (worth $30k), in his schedules and then shortly after
the 341(a) demolished the car in a one-car accident. The car was towed to
his parent's home. Because the debtor lost all personal liability for this
car under his contract, HE harrassed the finance company to immediately
remove the car from his parent's house because it was blocking the
driveway!!! The finance company did not raise any fuss but promptly removed
the car!
If your client is liable for the two- car accident however, this is a
post-BK filing claim and obviously NOT covered by the discharge.
As always, please try to get a second opinion!!!
Ty Takeuchi
>Reply-To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
>To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [cdcbaa] question regarding voluntary surrender of vehicle
>Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 01:59:29 -0000
>
>I have a client who received a chapter 7 discharge in July 2003. In her
>statement of intention she elected to retain her vehicle and continue to
>make
>payments. She was recently involved in an auto accident and she and the
>driver of the other vehicle did not have insurance. She now wants to
>surrender the vehicle because she cannot afford to fix it and make the
>payments. Any advice?
>
>

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Hey Wayne,
My understanding is that upon filing, (and the listing of the vehicle within
the BK schedules), the debtor lost all PERSONAL liability as per that
vehicle. I've had this same situation come up about 10 times over the last
8 years. Simply tell your client to call the finance company and let them
know he/she wants to surrender the vehicle. The finance company will
probably know about the BK and his/her account is probably being handled by
the finance company's BK department or loss recovery department.
I have one case similar to yours that sticks out at me. My client listed
his brand new Acura, (worth $30k), in his schedules and then shortly after
the 341(a) demolished the car in a one-car accident. The car was towed to
his parent's home. Because the debtor lost all personal liability for this
car under his contract, HE harrassed the finance company to immediately
remove the car from his parent's house because it was blocking the
driveway!!! The finance company did not raise any fuss but promptly removed
the car!
If your client is liable for the two- car accident however, this is a
post-BK filing claim and obviously NOT covered by the discharge.
As always, please try to get a second opinion!!!
Ty Takeuchi
>Reply-To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
>To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [cdcbaa] question regarding voluntary surrender of vehicle
>Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 01:59:29 -0000
>
>I have a client who received a chapter 7 discharge in July 2003. In her
>statement of intention she elected to retain her vehicle and continue to
>make
>payments. She was recently involved in an auto accident and she and the
>driver of the other vehicle did not have insurance. She now wants to
>surrender the vehicle because she cannot afford to fix it and make the
>payments. Any advice?
>
>

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Failure to maintain insurance is post-petition breach of the agreement,
but could also be a post-petition tort for loss of value to the vehicle.
While Chapter 7 made the auto loan "non-recourse", this may not help
her. Consider whether your client is "judgment proof" or whether she
would make a good candidate for Chapter 13, i.e. she has other debts.
Then surrender the vehicle and see how the lender responds.
David A. Tilem
Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*
Law Offices of David A. Tilem
500 N. Brand Blvd., #460, Glendale, CA 91203
Tel: 818-507-6000 Fax: 818-507-6800
* Personal & small business bankruptcy specialist cert. by State Bar of
CA Bd of Legal Specialization.
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:59 PM
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cdcbaa] question regarding voluntary surrender of vehicle
I have a client who received a chapter 7 discharge in July 2003. In her
statement of intention she elected to retain her vehicle and continue to
make
payments. She was recently involved in an auto accident and she and the
driver of the other vehicle did not have insurance. She now wants to
surrender the vehicle because she cannot afford to fix it and make the
payments. Any advice?
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Sure. Just have her surrender it.
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11684 Ventura Blvd. PMB #403
Studio City, CA 91604-2652
(818)509-1173
(818)509-1460 (fax)
e-mail: bklawr@bklaw.com
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Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:59 PM
Subject: [cdcbaa] question regarding voluntary surrender of vehicle
I have a client who received a chapter 7 discharge in July 2003. In her
statement of intention she elected to retain her vehicle and continue to make
payments. She was recently involved in an auto accident and she and the driver of the other vehicle did not have insurance. She now wants to
surrender the vehicle because she cannot afford to fix it and make the
payments. Any advice?
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Sure. Just have her surrender
it.

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I have a client who received a chapter 7 discharge in July 2003. In her
statement of intention she elected to retain her vehicle and continue to make
payments. She was recently involved in an auto accident and she and the
driver of the other vehicle did not have insurance. She now wants to
surrender the vehicle because she cannot afford to fix it and make the
payments. Any advice?

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