.jpg)
Listserve Protocol
charset="windows-1251"
Noone can be on the listserve without being a member. In fact Helen Frazier is not allowed, nor is Peter Anderson, on the listserve. We voted on this a long, long time ago. The work to clean up the listserve can be borne by our webmaster.
Jim
The post was migrated from Yahoo.
charset="windows-1251"
Dennis has an excellent point about the moderator role. I had no idea that
he was doing so many things. I would volunteer to assist, but my computer
skills are probably not up to the task.
Perhaps some of his burden could be lessened by adding text to each public
page of the site which instructs those who are interested in joining to
contact one or more designated people. That will probably take care of the
outside lawyers and non-lawyers. Is there some way to set the parameters so
that only "members" can contribute? That would take care of outsiders who
want to send emails to us all.
As for the embarrassing email accidentally sent to the entire group - I
agree that this is very valuable (the 3 second delay rule), but I am not
sure how to accommodate it. Perhaps others have suggestions?
David A. Tilem
Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*
Law Offices of David A. Tilem (a debt relief agency)
206 N. Jackson Street, #201, Glendale, CA 91206
Tel: 818-507-6000 Fax: 818-507-6800
* Bankruptcy specialist cert. by State Bar of CA Bd of Legal
Specialization.
The post was migrated from Yahoo.
Add my vote for Dennis.
We must maintain our commitment to a higher level of professionalism. Much of the tone from the bench is that they are looking to the cdcbaa to continue its commitment to raise the bar of competence of the lawyers appearing before the judges. We have agreed to do so with our monthly MCLE programs, this ListServ, and encouragement of young lawyers to seek out cdcbaa members as mentors. Each of us is part of the larger cdcbaa. Where all around us lawyers are becoming less civil, it is our duty to increase civility, not diminish it.
The moderator assures, as Dennis stated, that the public at large is excluded along with attorneys who are not members, and further that misstatements are not generally disseminated unintentionally.
Keep up the great work, Dennis. Your efforts are applauded.
Lou Esbin
>
> Members and thanks for the kind words:
>
> Censorship is not the point of a moderator. Most of the moderating is just deleting "***". You will see the difference if/whenes (not every day, but often enough to be an annoyance). One person sent, as Jim repeated from my email to him, over 100 duplicates. These are just errors which all of the 100 + of you do not have to delete, one by one. I got up one morning to find three emails from one lawyer.re group. The second one was for the group. The third was an obvious, "Oh my God, did the first one go out?" I delete the first and the third, and wrote to the lawyer I saved the lawyers rear.
>
> Still, we should be mindful that posting on our listserve is a privilege, not a right. We are on Yahoo, so we get a lot of requests to join the listserve from the general public, and from the lawyers around the country who find us on the web. These people have to be blocked. So you need a moderator as long as the group uses Yahoo. Once we are on our own website, the demand for a moderator goes down.
>
> You know, I write an email to those who I have to block from access. group, but send the general public away, often with a note saying if they have any questions I can post for them and get back to them.
>
> I kind of resent the "right minded" references, there is a lot more that goes into the job, but realize I also resent when people use the listserve to trash others, that is a very poor reflection on all of us.
>
> dennis
>
> --- On Fri, 3/6/09, David A. Tilem wrote:
>
> Subject: RE: [cdcbaa] Listserve Protocol
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:45 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dennis has done a terrific job and deserves a great deal of credit for his time commitment to the project. I thought that there were two or three others who were sharing this burden, but I see that I was mistaken.nly his efforts on the list serve, but also his invaluable assistance to me in establishing this group, I remain opposed to any form of censorship.>
> Realizing that different peoplehave different interests, nacbaat those who want to engage in discussions about Chapter 11 or about political matters or about office management issues each have their own discussion groups. We are too small for this so tolerance remains the key.>
>
>
> David A. Tilem
> Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*
> Law Offices of David A. Tilem (a debt relief agency)
> 206 N. Jackson Street, #201, Glendale , CA 91206
> Tel: 818-507-6000 Fax: 818-507-6800
>
> * Bankruptcy specialist cert. by State Bar of CA Bd of Legal Specialization.
> Business bankruptcy specialist cert. by Amer. Bd. of Certification
>
> -----Original Message-----
Of Dennis McGoldrick
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 3:56 PM
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: RE: [cdcbaa] Listserve Protocol
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Donny et al:
>
> The CDCBAA listserve was set up when I was president in 2004. We had no computer people and I just set it up. We did not set up a protocol, so we set it up to moderate people as they joined, then move people to unmoderated status.
>
> I had some help for the first few years doing the moderation, but have been the only person moderating for the last couple of years.
>
> Unfortunately, this means if I am not near a computer some of the messages are not sent out as quickly as you may like. Last week I was in Vail and there were apparently a few miffed about their emails not going out.
>
> I wrote to Jim, the King of Bk, this week and told him he may want the board to review the situation. We can have immediate unmoderated status, but we do not have a method, on Yahoo, to continuously post the protocol, like Nacba does. Of course, that won't really solve the problem, cause when people break the protocol, some action has to be taken or the protocol dissolves.
>
> Jim has been telling me this year that this year's board is setting up a listserve which will be on the group's website, not Yahoo. I am hoping that happens quickly as moderating has been a difficult, time-consumingjob and I have now had it for five years.
>
> dennis
>
The post was migrated from Yahoo.
Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2009 370 287 73
2008 182 161 224 169 290 338 273 240 234 302 255 335
2007 101 124 133 147 115 152 120 144 129 176 201 94
2006 91 106 110 41 93 175 152 83 130 92 106 79
2005 51 99 178 78 74 141 122 84 156 190 93 50
2004 1 26 43 96 100 51 65 73 62 55 40 51
2003 1
I checked when I set up this listserve. It was 2003. You can see the number of messages that have gone out past the "right minded committee"
dennis
The post was migrated from Yahoo.
In my opinion, the group still needs a moderator/supervisor (if thatthat initial access to the listserv/group must be approved (that way you can disallow non-attorneys or whomever shouldnt be here). But once approved, the member should be able to post freely and there should be no delay between submission and posting of the e-mail to the group. IF someone inadvertently posts something personal or inappropriate, a simple e-mail to the moderator (Dr. Mr./Ms. Moderator, please remove my posting) can remove it from the server. Granted, it will already have been disseminated to the group, but the solution to that is: dont post personal or inappropriate messages.
*************************
Mark J. Markus
Law Office of Mark J. Markus
11684 Ventura Blvd. PMB #403
Studio City, CA 91604-2652
(818)509-1173 (818)509-1460 (fax)
Toll Free: 1-866-576-6275
web: http://www.bklaw.com/
This Firm is a Qualified Federal Debt Relief Agency (see what this means at
The post was migrated from Yahoo.
make it four
M. Erik Clark
Borowitz, Lozano & Clark, LLP
100 N. Barranca Avenue, Suite 250
West Covina, CA 91791
www.BLClaw.com
Office: (626) 332-8600
Fax: (626) 332-8644
Board Certified in Consumer Bankruptcy
American Board of Certification
________________________________
The post was migrated from Yahoo.
Members and thanks for the kind words:
Censorship is not the point of a moderator. Most of the moderating is just deleting "***". You will see the difference if/whenwe go to unmoderated. As Jim said, we get an awful lot of duplicates (not every day, but often enough to be an annoyance). One person sent, as Jim repeated from my email to him, over 100 duplicates. These are just errors which all of the 100 + of you do not have to delete, one by one. I got up one morning to find three emails from one lawyer. The first one was personal, and was obviously not intended for the entire group. The second one was for the group. The third was an obvious, "Oh my God, did the first one go out?" I delete the first and the third, and wrote to the lawyer I saved the lawyers rear.
Still, we should be mindful that posting on our listserve is a privilege, not a right. We are on Yahoo, so we get a lot of requests to join the listserve from the general public, and from the lawyers around the country who find us on the web. These people have to be blocked. So you need a moderator as long as the group uses Yahoo. Once we are on our own website, the demand for a moderator goes down.
You know, I write an email to those who I have to block from access. I generally explain our purpose and offer lawyers the right to join the group, but send the general public away, often with a note saying if they have any questions I can post for them and get back to them.
I kind of resent the "right minded" references, there is a lot more that goes into the job, but realize I also resent when people use the listserve to trash others, that is a very poor reflection on all of us.
dennis
The post was migrated from Yahoo.
charset="windows-1251"
Thank you for those words David. I more than agree that we are forever indebted to Dennis McGoldrick for many, many reasons and you have named but a few.
Two votes for Dennis to untie the shackles of his bondage. Any more?
Jim King
The post was migrated from Yahoo.
charset="windows-1251"
Dennis has done a terrific job and deserves a great deal of credit for his
time commitment to the project. I thought that there were two or three
others who were sharing this burden, but I see that I was mistaken. That
having been said and with tremendous gratitude to Dennis for not only his
efforts on the list serve, but also his invaluable assistance to me in
establishing this group, I remain opposed to any form of censorship.
Realizing that different people have different interests, nacba resolved
this problem by creating a number of different listserves so that those who
want to engage in discussions about Chapter 11 or about political matters or
about office management issues each have their own discussion groups. We
are too small for this so tolerance remains the key.
David A. Tilem
Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*
Law Offices of David A. Tilem (a debt relief agency)
206 N. Jackson Street, #201, Glendale, CA 91206
Tel: 818-507-6000 Fax: 818-507-6800
* Bankruptcy specialist cert. by State Bar of CA Bd of Legal
Specialization.
Dennis McGoldrick
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 3:56 PM
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [cdcbaa] Listserve Protocol
Donny et al:
The CDCBAA listserve was set up when I was president in 2004. We had no
computer people and I just set it up. We did not set up a protocol, so we
set it up to moderate people as they joined, then move people to unmoderated
status.
I had some help for the first few years doing the moderation, but have been
the only person moderating for the last couple of years.
Unfortunately, this means if I am not near a computer some of the messages
are not sent out as quickly as you may like. Last week I was in Vail and
there were apparently a few miffed about their emails not going out.
I wrote to Jim, the King of Bk, this week and told him he may want the board
to review the situation. We can have immediate unmoderated status, but we
do not have a method, on Yahoo, to continuously post the protocol, like
Nacba does. Of course, that won't really solve the problem, cause when
people break the protocol, some action has to be taken or the protocol
dissolves.
Jim has been telling me this year that this year's board is setting up a
listserve which will be on the group's website, not Yahoo. I am hoping
that happens quickly as moderating has been a difficult, time-consuming job
and I have now had it for five years.
dennis
charset="windows-1251"
Message
Dennis has done a terrific
job and deserves a great deal of credit for his time commitment to the
project. I thought that there were two or three others who were sharing
this burden, but I see that I was mistaken. That having been said and with
tremendous gratitude to Dennis for not only his efforts on the list serve, but
also his invaluable assistance to me in establishing this group, I remain
opposed to any form of censorship.
Realizing that different
people have different interests, nacba resolved this problem by
creating a number of different listserves so that those who want to engage in
discussions about Chapter 11 or about political matters or about office
management issues each have their own discussion groups. We are too small
for this so tolerance remains the key.
David A.
Tilem
Certified Bankruptcy
Specialist*
The post was migrated from Yahoo.