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Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
What bashing? An attorney simply commented that certain policies of a certain judge, polices within that judges discretion, were having an adverse impact on his clients. He could probably prove it if he had to. Why are judges immune to criticism outside of the courtroom? Especially criticism directly related to their actions in very public courtrooms? Is their a local rule against free speech?
>
> Can we please put a stop to this bashing? This is totally inappropriate
> for this list serve. The same would be true of trustees.
>
>
>
> Of Giovanni Orantes
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:39 PM
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
>
>
>
>
>
> You're entitled to your opinion even if you're wrong. That "some"
> people have been living beyond their means is irrelevant for those who
> have lost their jobs in this economic depression and surprisingly found
> themselves unable to afford the mortgages they once were able to pay. I
> know there have been worse judges in the past and Santa Barbara is ruled
> by such a judge, but I choose to be optimistic and hope we get a
> reasonable one as replacement.
>
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 5:26 PM, warren brown wrote:
>
>
>
> Some clients don't have the money because they have been living beyond
> their means for too long. The word "capricious" denotes whimsy or
> unpredictability. The judge to whom you refer has neither of those
> characteristics. She is quite predictable. She simply has a much higher
> standard of personal responsibility than most. It is quite inconvenient
> at times, but there have been a couple over the years who were much
> worse.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
>
> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 15:54:46 -0700
> Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
>
>
>
> Hey, I can deal with individual judges, but some clients don't have the
> money to do so. Since you can affect the reapp of a judge, part of
> being a lawyer consists of chiming in with comments when a judge
> adversely impacts too many people capriciously.
>
> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:27 PM, warren brown wrote:
>
>
>
> How long will you be a lawyer? Learn to deal with individual judges and
> stop whining
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 10:13:18 -0700
>
>
> Subject: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
>
>
>
> When is Judge Carroll up for reapp? She is hurting many consumers with
> her idiosyncratic policies.
>
> --
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> Tel: (213) 389-4362
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> Giovanni Orantes, Esq.
> Orantes Law Firm, P.C.
> 3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
> Los Angeles, CA 90010
> Tel: (213) 389-4362
> Phone: (888) 619-8222 x101
> Fax: (877) 789-5776
> e-mail: go@...
> website: www.gobklaw.com
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> WE ARE A "DEBT RELIEF AGENCY" AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.
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Maybe not a bad idea to read up on what happened to Washington Post's Dave
Weigel and listserv Journolist last week. A listserv is not "private email"
and while we want to foster and encourage open discussion, it's kind of the
equivalent of posting something on a bulletin board that hundreds of people
have access to.
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You're entitled to your opinion even if you're wrong. That "some" people
have been living beyond their means is irrelevant for those who have lost
their jobs in this economic depression and surprisingly found themselves
unable to afford the mortgages they once were able to pay. I know there
have been worse judges in the past and Santa Barbara is ruled by such a
judge, but I choose to be optimistic and hope we get a reasonable one as
replacement.
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 5:26 PM, warren brown wrote:
>
>
> Some clients don't have the money because they have been living beyond
> their means for too long. The word "capricious" denotes whimsy or
> unpredictability. The judge to whom you refer has neither of those
> characteristics. She is quite predictable. She simply has a much higher
> standard of personal responsibility than most. It is quite inconvenient at
> times, but there have been a couple over the years who were much worse.
>
> ------------------------------
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 15:54:46 -0700
> Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
>
>
> Hey, I can deal with individual judges, but some clients don't have the
> money to do so. Since you can affect the reapp of a judge, part of being a
> lawyer consists of chiming in with comments when a judge adversely impacts
> too many people capriciously.
>
> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:27 PM, warren brown wrote:
>
>
>
> How long will you be a lawyer? Learn to deal with individual judges and
> stop whining
>
>
> ------------------------------
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 10:13:18 -0700
>
> Subject: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
>
>
> When is Judge Carroll up for reapp? She is hurting many consumers with
> her idiosyncratic policies.
>
> --
> Giovanni Orantes, Esq.
> Orantes Law Firm, P.C.
> 3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
> Los Angeles, CA 90010
> Tel: (213) 389-4362
> Phone: (888) 619-8222 x101
> Fax: (877) 789-5776
> e-mail: go@gobklaw.com
> website: www.gobklaw.com
>
> WE ARE A "DEBT RELIEF AGENCY" AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.
>
> SERVING BAKERSFIELD, LOS ANGELES, ORANGE COUNTY, RIVERSIDE, SAN BERNARDINO
> AND SANTA BARBARA.
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> Orantes Law Firm, P.C.
> 3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
> Los Angeles, CA 90010
> Tel: (213) 389-4362
> Phone: (888) 619-8222 x101
> Fax: (877) 789-5776
> e-mail: go@gobklaw.com
> website: www.gobklaw.com
>
> WE ARE A "DEBT RELIEF AGENCY" AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.
>
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Giovanni Orantes, Esq.
Orantes Law Firm, P.C.
3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
Los Angeles, CA 90010
Tel: (213) 389-4362
Phone: (888) 619-8222 x101
Fax: (877) 789-5776
e-mail: go@gobklaw.com
website: www.gobklaw.com
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AND SANTA BARBARA.
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Some clients don't have the money because they have been living beyond their means for too long. The word "capricious" denotes whimsy or unpredictability. The judge to whom you refer has neither of those characteristics. She is quite predictable. She simply has a much higher standard of personal responsibility than most. It is quite inconvenient at times, but there have been a couple over the years who were much worse.
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 15:54:46 -0700
Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
Hey, I can deal with individual judges, but some clients don't have the money to do so. Since you can affect the reapp of a judge, part of being a lawyer consists of chiming in with comments when a judge adversely impacts too many people capriciously.
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:27 PM, warren brown wrote:
How long will you be a lawyer? Learn to deal with individual judges and stop whining
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 10:13:18 -0700
Subject: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
When is Judge Carroll up for reapp? She is hurting many consumers with her idiosyncratic policies.
Giovanni Orantes, Esq.
Orantes Law Firm, P.C.
3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
Los Angeles, CA 90010
Tel: (213) 389-4362
Phone: (888) 619-8222 x101
Fax: (877) 789-5776
e-mail: go@gobklaw.com
website: www.gobklaw.com
WE ARE A "DEBT RELIEF AGENCY" AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.
SERVING BAKERSFIELD, LOS ANGELES, ORANGE COUNTY, RIVERSIDE, SAN BERNARDINO AND SANTA BARBARA.
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Giovanni Orantes, Esq.
Orantes Law Firm, P.C.
3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
Los Angeles, CA 90010
Tel: (213) 389-4362
Phone: (888) 619-8222 x101
Fax: (877) 789-5776
e-mail: go@gobklaw.com
website: www.gobklaw.com
WE ARE A "DEBT RELIEF AGENCY" AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.
SERVING BAKERSFIELD, LOS ANGELES, ORANGE COUNTY, RIVERSIDE, SAN BERNARDINO AND SANTA BARBARA.
Note: The information contained in this e-mail message is confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by telephone or e-mail and delete the original e-mail at (213) 389-4362 or (888) 619-8222.
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Not the greatest simile. Most of us men would secretly find the cute little
aerobics instructor, even gravid with twins, less annoying than the
long-term wife and four children. At least, we would until we wanted to
discuss something like, say, Bruce Springsteens great lyrics from his 1970s
albums.
- John D. Faucher
On 7/6/10 3:57 PM, "Margaret Norman" wrote:
>
>
>
> [Attachment(s) from Margaret Norman included below]
>
> When you have been practicing for a long time you will know that it is always
> possible for a judge you don't like to be replaced by somebody much worse/more
> annoying. Its like my 58 year old neighbor who left his long time wife and
> four children to marry a cute little aerobics instructor (who is now pregnant
> with twins)
> Margaret Norman
>
>
>
> Charles Shamash
> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 3:40 PM
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
>
>
>
> He's ALL heart. But then our brother Warren tends to be more on the creditors
> side.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jul 6, 2010, at 3:16 PM, Patrick Green wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Warren:
>>
>> I just love it when your warm and fuzzy.
>>
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> Patrick T. Green, Esq.
>> Fitzgerald & Green
>> Attorneys at Law
>> 1010 E. Union Street
>> Suite 206
>> Pasadena, CA 91106
>> Tel: 626-449-8433
>> Fax: 626-449-0565
>> pat@fitzgreenlaw.com
>>
>>
>>
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>> warren brown
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 2:28 PM
>> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: RE: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
>>
>>
>>
>> How long will you be a lawyer? Learn to deal with individual judges and stop
>> whining
>>
>>
>>
>> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 10:13:18 -0700
>> Subject: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
>>
>>
>>
>> When is Judge Carroll up for reapp? She is hurting many consumers with her
>> idiosyncratic policies.
>>
>>>>> - John D. Faucher
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp [1 Attachment]
Not the greatest simile. Most of us men would secretly find the cute little aerobics instructor, even gravid with twins, less annoying than the long-term wife and four children. At least, we would until we wanted to discuss something like, say, Bruce Springsteen’s great lyrics from his 1970s albums.
- John D. Faucher
On 7/6/10 3:57 PM, "Margaret Norman" <marge@margeslaw.com> wrote:
[Attachment(s) <#TopText> from Margaret Norman included below]
When you have been practicing for a long time you will know that it is always possible for a judge you don't like to be replaced by somebody much worse/more annoying. Its like my 58 year old neighbor who left his long time wife and four children to marry a cute little aerobics instructor (who is now pregnant with twins)
Margaret Norman
From: mailto:cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of warren brown
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 2:28 PM
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
How long will you be a lawyer? Learn to deal with individual judges and stop whining
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 10:13:18 -0700
Subject: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
When is Judge Carroll up for reapp? She is hurting many consumers with her idiosyncratic policies.
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When you have been practicing for a long time you will know that it is always possible for a judge you don't like to be replaced by somebody much worse/more annoying. Its like my 58 year old neighbor who left his long time wife and four children to marry a cute little aerobics instructor (who is now pregnant with twins)
Margaret Norman
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Warren:
I just love it when your warm and fuzzy.
Pat
Patrick T. Green, Esq.
Fitzgerald & Green
Attorneys at Law
1010 E. Union Street
Suite 206
Pasadena, CA 91106
Tel: 626-449-8433
Fax: 626-449-0565
pat@fitzgreenlaw.com
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Warren:
I just love it when your warm and fuzzy.
Pat
Patrick T. Green, Esq.
Fitzgerald & Green
Attorneys at Law
1010 E. Union Street
Suite 206
Pasadena, CA 91106
Tel: 626-449-8433
Fax: 626-449-0565
pat@fitzgreenlaw.com
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