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professional behavior
Great explanation! Thank you. I'll keep that in mind.
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Patrick Green wrote:
>
>
> Many concerns about judges, trustees, UST staff or other members of the
> BK community are appropriate for Listserve discussion, if they are presented
> in what is often described as a professional manner. As an example, I will
> elevate Dennis to the bench for sake of discussion.
>
>
>
> Example 1.
>
>
>
> I had a matter with Judge Mick and once again he pulled the rug out from
> under my client. As usual he didnt read the pleading, he didnt rule
> timely and he didnt give a reason for denying my petition-he was probably
> too busy surfing. Fortunately I didnt have to be in his courtroom to hear
> him be his usual obnoxious self (the guy has no social skills-he reminds me
> of a junk yard dog). And his rant about the damn hyphens-the guy must be a
> frustrated English teacher. I cant wait till he comes up for
> re-appointment. We should ream him when the time comes. Maybe we should put
> a fund together to pay for him to get his teaching credential so he can be
> his usual arbitrary and capricious jerk ass self with someone else besides
> our clients.
>
>
>
> Example 2
>
>
>
> I had a bad outcome with Judge Mc again. I need some advice in how to
> help my client who got what I think is an extremely unjust result. Im
> quite sure he didnt read the pleading, he didnt rule timely and he didnt
> give a reason for denying my petition. The facts are as follows
> slfjlasjdfljasldkfjalskjflasjfjslkdjflksd. I am really frustrated with the
> results that my clients get in his courtroom. Please either post your
> suggestions to the list or contact me off list. TIA
>
>
>
> The first one should have been a phone call to a trusted colleague to vent
> some steam-probably with many additional colorful adjectives (but without
> the Mick appellation). After the steam is gone, it is much easier to then
> post to the list serve like the second example. Any campaign to keep a
> judge from reappointment can be effectively done off list. Youll get the
> same result and their will nothing there to come back and bite you or cdcbaa
> in the butt.
>
>
>
> If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me.
>
>
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> Patrick T. Green, Esq.
>
> Fitzgerald & Green
>
> Attorneys at Law
>
> 1010 E. Union Street
>
> Suite 206
>
> Pasadena, CA 91106
>
> Tel: 626-449-8433
>
> Fax: 626-449-0565
>
> pat@fitzgreenlaw.com
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf
> Of *Law Offices of Jonathan Leventhal
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 08, 2010 12:25 PM
> *To:* cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: [cdcbaa] Re: professional behavior
>
>
>
>
>
> My two cents;
>
>
>
> This is from a person who has very little hair left.
>
>
>
> I think a professional forum is the place to discuss matters that can
> assist our clients. HOWEVER, we are officers of the court and are expected
> to act accordingly. As a practical matter, it does not help yourself or
> your clients to speak improperly of anyone, from clerk to Judge.
>
>
>
> I treat everyone with respect and professionalism. Not only is it the
> correct thing to do but it is a requirement of our profession.
>
>
>
> Jonathan Leventhal
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [image: My Card]
>
>
>
> Jonathan D. Leventhal, Esq.
>
> This email and any attachments thereto may contain private, confidential,
> and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
> review, copying, or distribution of this email (or any attachments thereto)
> by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,
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> and any copies of this email and any attachments thereto.
>
>
>
> *From:* cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf
> Of *Dennis
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 08, 2010 12:10 PM
> *To:* cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [cdcbaa] Re: professional behavior
>
>
>
>
>
> Because this is a public forum for a professional association. We grey
> hairs don't want our reputations tainted by individual attorney's
> indescretions. And, btw, we can kick you off the listserve for
> nonprofessional behavior.
>
>
>
> So be professional or you may begone.
>
>
>
> Dennis
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jul 8, 2010, at 10:37 AM, "shawnswhite" wrote:
>
>
>
> What bashing? An attorney simply commented that certain policies of a
> certain judge, polices within that judges discretion, were having an adverse
> impact on his clients. He could probably prove it if he had to. Why are
> judges immune to criticism outside of the courtroom? Especially criticism
> directly related to their actions in very public courtrooms? Is their a
> local rule against free speech?
>
> --- In cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com, "James T. King" wrote:
> >
> > Can we please put a stop to this bashing? This is totally inappropriate
> > for this list serve. The same would be true of trustees.
> >
> >
> >
> > Of Giovanni Orantes
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:39 PM
> > To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > You're entitled to your opinion even if you're wrong. That "some"
> > people have been living beyond their means is irrelevant for those who
> > have lost their jobs in this economic depression and surprisingly found
> > themselves unable to afford the mortgages they once were able to pay. I
> > know there have been worse judges in the past and Santa Barbara is ruled
> > by such a judge, but I choose to be optimistic and hope we get a
> > reasonable one as replacement.
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 5:26 PM, warren brown wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Some clients don't have the money because they have been living beyond
> > their means for too long. The word "capricious" denotes whimsy or
> > unpredictability. The judge to whom you refer has neither of those
> > characteristics. She is quite predictable. She simply has a much higher
> > standard of personal responsibility than most. It is quite inconvenient
> > at times, but there have been a couple over the years who were much
> > worse.
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 15:54:46 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey, I can deal with individual judges, but some clients don't have the
> > money to do so. Since you can affect the reapp of a judge, part of
> > being a lawyer consists of chiming in with comments when a judge
> > adversely impacts too many people capriciously.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:27 PM, warren brown wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > How long will you be a lawyer? Learn to deal with individual judges and
> > stop whining
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 10:13:18 -0700
> >
> >
> > Subject: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
> >
> >
> >
> > When is Judge Carroll up for reapp? She is hurting many consumers with
> > her idiosyncratic policies.
> >
> > --
> > Giovanni Orantes, Esq.
> > Orantes Law Firm, P.C.
> > 3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
> > Los Angeles, CA 90010
> > Tel: (213) 389-4362
> > Phone: (888) 619-8222 x101
> > Fax: (877) 789-5776
> > e-mail: go@...
> > website: www.gobklaw.com
> >
> > WE ARE A "DEBT RELIEF AGENCY" AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.
> >
> > SERVING BAKERSFIELD, LOS ANGELES, ORANGE COUNTY, RIVERSIDE, SAN
> > BERNARDINO AND SANTA BARBARA.
> >
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> > communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
> > communication in error, please immediately notify us by telephone or
> > e-mail and delete the original e-mail - at (213) 389-4362 or (888)
> > 619-8222.
> >
> > IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: In order to comply with requirements
> > imposed by the Internal Revenue Service, we inform you that any U.S. tax
> > advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is
> > not intended to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i)
> > avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting,
> > marketing, or recommending to another party any transaction or matter
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
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> > > :ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Giovanni Orantes, Esq.
> > Orantes Law Firm, P.C.
> > 3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
> > Los Angeles, CA 90010
> > Tel: (213) 389-4362
> > Phone: (888) 619-8222 x101
> > Fax: (877) 789-5776
> > e-mail: go@...
> > website: www.gobklaw.com
> >
> > WE ARE A "DEBT RELIEF AGENCY" AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.
> >
> > SERVING BAKERSFIELD, LOS ANGELES, ORANGE COUNTY, RIVERSIDE, SAN
> > BERNARDINO AND SANTA BARBARA.
> >
> > Note: The information contained in this e-mail message is confidential
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> > responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby
> > notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this
> > communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
> > communication in error, please immediately notify us by telephone or
> > e-mail and delete the original e-mail - at (213) 389-4362 or (888)
> > 619-8222.
> >
> > IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: In order to comply with requirements
> > imposed by the Internal Revenue Service, we inform you that any U.S. tax
> > advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is
> > not intended to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i)
> > avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting,
> > marketing, or recommending to another party any transaction or matter
> > addressed herein.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your
> > inbox. Learn more.
> > > :ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Giovanni Orantes, Esq.
> > Orantes Law Firm, P.C.
> > 3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
> > Los Angeles, CA 90010
> > Tel: (213) 389-4362
> > Phone: (888) 619-8222 x101
> > Fax: (877) 789-5776
> > e-mail: go@...
> > website: www.gobklaw.com
> >
> > WE ARE A "DEBT RELIEF AGENCY" AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.
> >
> > SERVING BAKERSFIELD, LOS ANGELES, ORANGE COUNTY, RIVERSIDE, SAN
> > BERNARDINO AND SANTA BARBARA.
> >
> > Note: The information contained in this e-mail message is confidential
> > information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named.
> > If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent
> > responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby
> > notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this
> > communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
> > communication in error, please immediately notify us by telephone or
> > e-mail and delete the original e-mail - at (213) 389-4362 or (888)
> > 619-8222.
> >
> > IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: In order to comply with requirements
> > imposed by the Internal Revenue Service, we inform you that any U.S. tax
> > advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is
> > not intended to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i)
> > avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting,
> > marketing, or recommending to another party any transaction or matter
> > addressed herein.
> >
>
> Reply to *sender*| Reply
> *via web post*
The post was migrated from Yahoo.
Many concerns about judges, trustees, UST staff or other members of the BK
community are appropriate for Listserve discussion, if they are presented in
what is often described as a professional manner. As an example, I will
elevate Dennis to the bench for sake of discussion.
Example 1.
" I had a matter with Judge Mick and once again he pulled the rug out from
under my client. As usual he didn't read the pleading, he didn't rule
timely and he didn't give a reason for denying my petition-he was probably
too busy surfing. Fortunately I didn't have to be in his courtroom to hear
him be his usual obnoxious self (the guy has no social skills-he reminds me
of a junk yard dog). And his rant about the damn hyphens-the guy must be a
frustrated English teacher. I can't wait till he comes up for
re-appointment. We should ream him when the time comes. Maybe we should put
a fund together to pay for him to get his teaching credential so he can be
his usual arbitrary and capricious jerk ass self with someone else besides
our clients. "
Example 2
" I had a bad outcome with Judge Mc again. I need some advice in how to
help my client who got what I think is an extremely unjust result. I'm
quite sure he didn't read the pleading, he didn't rule timely and he didn't
give a reason for denying my petition. The facts are as follows
slfjlasjdfljasldkfjalskjflasjfjslkdjflksd. I am really frustrated with the
results that my clients get in his courtroom. Please either post your
suggestions to the list or contact me off list. TIA"
The first one should have been a phone call to a trusted colleague to vent
some steam-probably with many additional colorful adjectives (but without
the Mick appellation). After the steam is gone, it is much easier to then
post to the list serve like the second example. Any campaign to keep a
judge from reappointment can be effectively done off list. You'll get the
same result and their will nothing there to come back and bite you or cdcbaa
in the butt.
If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me.
Pat
Patrick T. Green, Esq.
Fitzgerald & Green
Attorneys at Law
1010 E. Union Street
Suite 206
Pasadena, CA 91106
Tel: 626-449-8433
Fax: 626-449-0565
pat@fitzgreenlaw.com
The post was migrated from Yahoo.
I notice that the subject of this thread is now "Re: professional behavior";
so, I apologize if anybody believes that my comments may affect their
reputation.
To be sure, however, my criticism of a judge's policies or decisions are
always made with all the respect warranted by the position of Judge,
regardless of the particular judge. I do not make a comment here that I
would not more than gladly thank heavens for the opportunity to tell it to a
Judge in a courtroom or outside of it. I served for a District Court Judge
and for three Bankruptcy Judges in the 90's and I've taken classes on ethics
for law clerks from Judge Mund and others in the past; so, I would hope I've
learned something from such classes.
Needless to say, I do not believe that all the members of this listserv
share or endorse any of my comments.
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Law Offices of Jonathan Leventhal wrote:
>
>
> My two cents;
>
>
>
> This is from a person who has very little hair left.
>
>
>
> I think a professional forum is the place to discuss matters that can
> assist our clients. HOWEVER, we are officers of the court and are expected
> to act accordingly. As a practical matter, it does not help yourself or
> your clients to speak improperly of anyone, from clerk to Judge.
>
>
>
> I treat everyone with respect and professionalism. Not only is it the
> correct thing to do but it is a requirement of our profession.
>
>
>
> Jonathan Leventhal
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [image: My Card]
>
>
>
> Jonathan D. Leventhal, Esq.
>
> This email and any attachments thereto may contain private, confidential,
> and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
> review, copying, or distribution of this email (or any attachments thereto)
> by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,
> please contact the sender immediately and permanently delete the original
> and any copies of this email and any attachments thereto.
>
>
>
> *From:* cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf
> Of *Dennis
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 08, 2010 12:10 PM
> *To:* cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [cdcbaa] Re: professional behavior
>
>
>
>
>
> Because this is a public forum for a professional association. We grey
> hairs don't want our reputations tainted by individual attorney's
> indescretions. And, btw, we can kick you off the listserve for
> nonprofessional behavior.
>
>
>
> So be professional or you may begone.
>
>
>
> Dennis
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jul 8, 2010, at 10:37 AM, "shawnswhite" wrote:
>
>
>
> What bashing? An attorney simply commented that certain policies of a
> certain judge, polices within that judges discretion, were having an adverse
> impact on his clients. He could probably prove it if he had to. Why are
> judges immune to criticism outside of the courtroom? Especially criticism
> directly related to their actions in very public courtrooms? Is their a
> local rule against free speech?
>
> --- In cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com, "James T. King" wrote:
> >
> > Can we please put a stop to this bashing? This is totally inappropriate
> > for this list serve. The same would be true of trustees.
> >
> >
> >
> > Of Giovanni Orantes
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:39 PM
> > To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > You're entitled to your opinion even if you're wrong. That "some"
> > people have been living beyond their means is irrelevant for those who
> > have lost their jobs in this economic depression and surprisingly found
> > themselves unable to afford the mortgages they once were able to pay. I
> > know there have been worse judges in the past and Santa Barbara is ruled
> > by such a judge, but I choose to be optimistic and hope we get a
> > reasonable one as replacement.
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 5:26 PM, warren brown wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Some clients don't have the money because they have been living beyond
> > their means for too long. The word "capricious" denotes whimsy or
> > unpredictability. The judge to whom you refer has neither of those
> > characteristics. She is quite predictable. She simply has a much higher
> > standard of personal responsibility than most. It is quite inconvenient
> > at times, but there have been a couple over the years who were much
> > worse.
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 15:54:46 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey, I can deal with individual judges, but some clients don't have the
> > money to do so. Since you can affect the reapp of a judge, part of
> > being a lawyer consists of chiming in with comments when a judge
> > adversely impacts too many people capriciously.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:27 PM, warren brown wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > How long will you be a lawyer? Learn to deal with individual judges and
> > stop whining
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 10:13:18 -0700
> >
> >
> > Subject: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
> >
> >
> >
> > When is Judge Carroll up for reapp? She is hurting many consumers with
> > her idiosyncratic policies.
> >
> > --
> > Giovanni Orantes, Esq.
> > Orantes Law Firm, P.C.
> > 3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
> > Los Angeles, CA 90010
> > Tel: (213) 389-4362
> > Phone: (888) 619-8222 x101
> > Fax: (877) 789-5776
> > e-mail: go@...
> > website: www.gobklaw.com
> >
> > WE ARE A "DEBT RELIEF AGENCY" AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.
> >
> > SERVING BAKERSFIELD, LOS ANGELES, ORANGE COUNTY, RIVERSIDE, SAN
> > BERNARDINO AND SANTA BARBARA.
> >
> > Note: The information contained in this e-mail message is confidential
> > information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named.
> > If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent
> > responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby
> > notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this
> > communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
> > communication in error, please immediately notify us by telephone or
> > e-mail and delete the original e-mail - at (213) 389-4362 or (888)
> > 619-8222.
> >
> > IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: In order to comply with requirements
> > imposed by the Internal Revenue Service, we inform you that any U.S. tax
> > advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is
> > not intended to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i)
> > avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting,
> > marketing, or recommending to another party any transaction or matter
> > addressed herein.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from
> > your inbox. See how.
> > > :ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Giovanni Orantes, Esq.
> > Orantes Law Firm, P.C.
> > 3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
> > Los Angeles, CA 90010
> > Tel: (213) 389-4362
> > Phone: (888) 619-8222 x101
> > Fax: (877) 789-5776
> > e-mail: go@...
> > website: www.gobklaw.com
> >
> > WE ARE A "DEBT RELIEF AGENCY" AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.
> >
> > SERVING BAKERSFIELD, LOS ANGELES, ORANGE COUNTY, RIVERSIDE, SAN
> > BERNARDINO AND SANTA BARBARA.
> >
> > Note: The information contained in this e-mail message is confidential
> > information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named.
> > If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent
> > responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby
> > notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this
> > communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
> > communication in error, please immediately notify us by telephone or
> > e-mail and delete the original e-mail - at (213) 389-4362 or (888)
> > 619-8222.
> >
> > IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: In order to comply with requirements
> > imposed by the Internal Revenue Service, we inform you that any U.S. tax
> > advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is
> > not intended to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i)
> > avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting,
> > marketing, or recommending to another party any transaction or matter
> > addressed herein.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your
> > inbox. Learn more.
> > > :ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Giovanni Orantes, Esq.
> > Orantes Law Firm, P.C.
> > 3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
> > Los Angeles, CA 90010
> > Tel: (213) 389-4362
> > Phone: (888) 619-8222 x101
> > Fax: (877) 789-5776
> > e-mail: go@...
> > website: www.gobklaw.com
> >
> > WE ARE A "DEBT RELIEF AGENCY" AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.
> >
> > SERVING BAKERSFIELD, LOS ANGELES, ORANGE COUNTY, RIVERSIDE, SAN
> > BERNARDINO AND SANTA BARBARA.
> >
> > Note: The information contained in this e-mail message is confidential
> > information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named.
> > If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent
> > responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby
> > notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this
> > communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
> > communication in error, please immediately notify us by telephone or
> > e-mail and delete the original e-mail - at (213) 389-4362 or (888)
> > 619-8222.
> >
> > IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: In order to comply with requirements
> > imposed by the Internal Revenue Service, we inform you that any U.S. tax
> > advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is
> > not intended to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i)
> > avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting,
> > marketing, or recommending to another party any transaction or matter
> > addressed herein.
> >
>
> Reply to *sender*| Reply
> *via web post*
The post was migrated from Yahoo.
My two cents;
This is from a person who has very little hair left.
I think a professional forum is the place to discuss matters that can assist
our clients. HOWEVER, we are officers of the court and are expected to act
accordingly. As a practical matter, it does not help yourself or your
clients to speak improperly of anyone, from clerk to Judge.
I treat everyone with respect and professionalism. Not only is it the
correct thing to do but it is a requirement of our profession.
Jonathan Leventhal
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On Jul 8, 2010, at 10:37 AM, "shawnswhite" wrote:
What bashing? An attorney simply commented that certain policies of a certain judge, polices within that judges discretion, were having an adverse impact on his clients. He could probably prove it if he had to. Why are judges immune to criticism outside of the courtroom? Especially criticism directly related to their actions in very public courtrooms? Is their a local rule against free speech?
>
> Can we please put a stop to this bashing? This is totally inappropriate
> for this list serve. The same would be true of trustees.
>
>
>
> Of Giovanni Orantes
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:39 PM
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
>
>
>
>
>
> You're entitled to your opinion even if you're wrong. That "some"
> people have been living beyond their means is irrelevant for those who
> have lost their jobs in this economic depression and surprisingly found
> themselves unable to afford the mortgages they once were able to pay. I
> know there have been worse judges in the past and Santa Barbara is ruled
> by such a judge, but I choose to be optimistic and hope we get a
> reasonable one as replacement.
>
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 5:26 PM, warren brown wrote:
>
>
>
> Some clients don't have the money because they have been living beyond
> their means for too long. The word "capricious" denotes whimsy or
> unpredictability. The judge to whom you refer has neither of those
> characteristics. She is quite predictable. She simply has a much higher
> standard of personal responsibility than most. It is quite inconvenient
> at times, but there have been a couple over the years who were much
> worse.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
>
> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 15:54:46 -0700
> Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
>
>
>
> Hey, I can deal with individual judges, but some clients don't have the
> money to do so. Since you can affect the reapp of a judge, part of
> being a lawyer consists of chiming in with comments when a judge
> adversely impacts too many people capriciously.
>
> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:27 PM, warren brown wrote:
>
>
>
> How long will you be a lawyer? Learn to deal with individual judges and
> stop whining
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 10:13:18 -0700
>
>
> Subject: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
>
>
>
> When is Judge Carroll up for reapp? She is hurting many consumers with
> her idiosyncratic policies.
>
> --
> Giovanni Orantes, Esq.
> Orantes Law Firm, P.C.
> 3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
> Los Angeles, CA 90010
> Tel: (213) 389-4362
> Phone: (888) 619-8222 x101
> Fax: (877) 789-5776
> e-mail: go@...
> website: www.gobklaw.com
>
> WE ARE A "DEBT RELIEF AGENCY" AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.
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> Los Angeles, CA 90010
> Tel: (213) 389-4362
> Phone: (888) 619-8222 x101
> Fax: (877) 789-5776
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> website: www.gobklaw.com
>
> WE ARE A "DEBT RELIEF AGENCY" AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.
>
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> BERNARDINO AND SANTA BARBARA.
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Because this is a public forum for a professional association. We
grey hairs don't want our reputations tainted by individual attorney's
indescretions. And, btw, we can kick you off the listserve for
nonprofessional behavior.
So be professional or you may begone.
Dennis
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 8, 2010, at 10:37 AM, "shawnswhite" wrote:
> What bashing? An attorney simply commented that certain policies of
> a certain judge, polices within that judges discretion, were having
> an adverse impact on his clients. He could probably prove it if he
> had to. Why are judges immune to criticism outside of the courtroom?
> Especially criticism directly related to their actions in very
> public courtrooms? Is their a local rule against free speech?
>
> --- In cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com, "James T. King" wrote:
> >
> > Can we please put a stop to this bashing? This is totally
> inappropriate
> > for this list serve. The same would be true of trustees.
> >
> >
> >
> Behalf
> > Of Giovanni Orantes
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:39 PM
> > To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > You're entitled to your opinion even if you're wrong. That "some"
> > people have been living beyond their means is irrelevant for those
> who
> > have lost their jobs in this economic depression and surprisingly
> found
> > themselves unable to afford the mortgages they once were able to
> pay. I
> > know there have been worse judges in the past and Santa Barbara is
> ruled
> > by such a judge, but I choose to be optimistic and hope we get a
> > reasonable one as replacement.
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 5:26 PM, warren brown wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Some clients don't have the money because they have been living
> beyond
> > their means for too long. The word "capricious" denotes whimsy or
> > unpredictability. The judge to whom you refer has neither of those
> > characteristics. She is quite predictable. She simply has a much
> higher
> > standard of personal responsibility than most. It is quite
> inconvenient
> > at times, but there have been a couple over the years who were much
> > worse.
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 15:54:46 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey, I can deal with individual judges, but some clients don't
> have the
> > money to do so. Since you can affect the reapp of a judge, part of
> > being a lawyer consists of chiming in with comments when a judge
> > adversely impacts too many people capriciously.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:27 PM, warren brown wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > How long will you be a lawyer? Learn to deal with individual
> judges and
> > stop whining
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 10:13:18 -0700
> >
> >
> > Subject: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
> >
> >
> >
> > When is Judge Carroll up for reapp? She is hurting many consumers
> with
> > her idiosyncratic policies.
> >
> > --
> > Giovanni Orantes, Esq.
> > Orantes Law Firm, P.C.
> > 3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
> > Los Angeles, CA 90010
> > Tel: (213) 389-4362
> > Phone: (888) 619-8222 x101
> > Fax: (877) 789-5776
> > e-mail: go@...
> > website: www.gobklaw.com
> >
> > WE ARE A "DEBT RELIEF AGENCY" AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.
> >
> > SERVING BAKERSFIELD, LOS ANGELES, ORANGE COUNTY, RIVERSIDE, SAN
> > BERNARDINO AND SANTA BARBARA.
> >
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> > advice contained in this communication (including any attachments)
> is
> > not intended to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i)
> > avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii)
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> > 3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
> > Los Angeles, CA 90010
> > Tel: (213) 389-4362
> > Phone: (888) 619-8222 x101
> > Fax: (877) 789-5776
> > e-mail: go@...
> > website: www.gobklaw.com
> >
> > WE ARE A "DEBT RELIEF AGENCY" AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.
> >
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> > advice contained in this communication (including any attachments)
> is
> > not intended to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i)
> > avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii)
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> >
> > --
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> > Orantes Law Firm, P.C.
> > 3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
> > Los Angeles, CA 90010
> > Tel: (213) 389-4362
> > Phone: (888) 619-8222 x101
> > Fax: (877) 789-5776
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> > website: www.gobklaw.com
> >
> > WE ARE A "DEBT RELIEF AGENCY" AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.
> >
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Because this is a public forum for a professional association. We grey hairs don't want our reputations tainted by individual attorney's indescretions. And, btw, we can kick you off the listserve for nonprofessional behavior.So be professional or you may begone.DennisSent from my iPhoneOn Jul 8, 2010, at 10:37 AM, "shawnswhite" <shawn@cabankrupt.com> wrote:
What bashing? An attorney simply commented that certain policies of a certain judge, polices within that judges discretion, were having an adverse impact on his clients. He could probably prove it if he had to. Why are judges immune to criticism outside of the courtroom? Especially criticism directly related to their actions in very public courtrooms? Is their a local rule against free speech?
>
> Can we please put a stop to this bashing? This is totally inappropriate
> for this list serve. The same would be true of trustees.
>
>
>
> Of Giovanni Orantes
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:39 PM
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
>
>
>
>
>
> You're entitled to your opinion even if you're wrong. That "some"
> people have been living beyond their means is irrelevant for those who
> have lost their jobs in this economic depression and surprisingly found
> themselves unable to afford the mortgages they once were able to pay. I
> know there have been worse judges in the past and Santa Barbara is ruled
> by such a judge, but I choose to be optimistic and hope we get a
> reasonable one as replacement.
>
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 5:26 PM, warren brown <wbbk@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Some clients don't have the money because they have been living beyond
> their means for too long. The word "capricious" denotes whimsy or
> unpredictability. The judge to whom you refer has neither of those
> characteristics. She is quite predictable. She simply has a much higher
> standard of personal responsibility than most. It is quite inconvenient
> at times, but there have been a couple over the years who were much
> worse.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
>
> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 15:54:46 -0700
> Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
>
>
>
> Hey, I can deal with individual judges, but some clients don't have the
> money to do so. Since you can affect the reapp of a judge, part of
> being a lawyer consists of chiming in with comments when a judge
> adversely impacts too many people capriciously.
>
> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:27 PM, warren brown <wbbk@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> How long will you be a lawyer? Learn to deal with individual judges and
> stop whining
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 10:13:18 -0700
>
>
> Subject: [cdcbaa] Judge Ellen Carroll's ReApp
>
>
>
> When is Judge Carroll up for reapp? She is hurting many consumers with
> her idiosyncratic policies.
>
> --
> Giovanni Orantes, Esq.
> Orantes Law Firm, P.C.
> 3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
> Los Angeles, CA 90010
> Tel: (213) 389-4362
> Phone: (888) 619-8222 x101
> Fax: (877) 789-5776
> e-mail: go@...
> website: www.gobklaw.com <http://www.gobklaw.com/>
>
> WE ARE A "DEBT RELIEF AGENCY" AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.
>
> SERVING BAKERSFIELD, LOS ANGELES, ORANGE COUNTY, RIVERSIDE, SAN
> BERNARDINO AND SANTA BARBARA.
>
> Note: The information contained in this e-mail message is confidential
> information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named.
> If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent
> responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby
> notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this
> communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
> communication in error, please immediately notify us by telephone or
> e-mail and delete the original e-mail - at (213) 389-4362 or (888)
> 619-8222.
>
> IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: In order to comply with requirements
> imposed by the Internal Revenue Service, we inform you that any U.S. tax
> advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is
> not intended to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i)
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>
>
>
>
> --
> Giovanni Orantes, Esq.
> Orantes Law Firm, P.C.
> 3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
> Los Angeles, CA 90010
> Tel: (213) 389-4362
> Phone: (888) 619-8222 x101
> Fax: (877) 789-5776
> e-mail: go@...
> website: www.gobklaw.com <http://www.gobklaw.com/>
>
> WE ARE A "DEBT RELIEF AGENCY" AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.
>
> SERVING BAKERSFIELD, LOS ANGELES, ORANGE COUNTY, RIVERSIDE, SAN
> BERNARDINO AND SANTA BARBARA.
>
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> advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is
> not intended to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i)
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>
>
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> 3435 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1980
> Los Angeles, CA 90010
> Tel: (213) 389-4362
> Phone: (888) 619-8222 x101
> Fax: (877) 789-5776
> e-mail: go@...
> website: www.gobklaw.com
>
> WE ARE A "DEBT RELIEF AGENCY" AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL LAW.
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