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Account Numbers for Rojas
I have to admit to being a little in the dark of the new rules concerning
account numbers. Frankly, when I read the memo about social security numbers and account numbers having to be deleted from the schedules my reaction was how in the world will creditors, and trustees know if they are a creditor or who to pay. Maybe I am
inviolation of a federal statute or two, but I continue to put the full account number on plans and schedules.
Steve Burton
randolph_neel wrote:
Chapter 13 Trustee Elizabeth Rojas informed me this week that she is
requiring the entire account number for all accounts in order to
track the proper account for each creditor. This is in addition to
the regular schedules we fiel with only the last four numbers of the
account. To me, this requires considerable additional effort. I
would have to have the entire number entered, print out a draft
Schedule D, E, and F for her use, then go back and have all but the
last four numbers deleted to meet the new requirements. That alone
is a problem, especially where I make additions, changes,
corrections before printing out the final schedules to be filed, but
if I need to amend later to add a creditor, I have to add it by
typing onto my copy of her copy of D, E, or F, serve that on her,
then also do the regular amendment and serve that on her as well. I
haven't thought through all the other implications for the Plan
account numbers, but there must be more. She didn't have any
suggestions about how to minimize the effort, but welcomed any we
might have. She doesn't really care what additional effort is
required of us. She's concerned about how she can do her job
without the full account number. Despite having told other
attorneys about this new procedure, she told me no one else had
reacted to it as negatively as I did. Am I missing something? Am I
the only one here who actually has to do some of this data entry or
doesn't like paying staff to do extra steps in an already cumbersome
process?
Have any of you heard that the other trustees are requiring the same?
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I have to admit to being a little in the dark of the new rules concerningaccount numbers. Frankly, when I read the memo about social security numbers and account numbers having to be deleted from the schedules my reaction was how in the world will creditors, and trustees know if they are a creditor or who to pay. Maybe I am
inviolation of a federal statute or two, but I continue to put the full account number on plans and schedules.
Steve Burtonrandolph_neel <randolph_neel@yahoo.com> wrote:
Chapter 13 Trustee Elizabeth Rojas informed me this week that she is requiring the entire account number for all accounts in order to track the proper account for each creditor. This is in addition to the regular schedules we fiel with only the last four numbers of the account. To me, this requires considerable additional effort. I would have to have the entire number entered, print out a draft Schedule D, E, and F for her use, then go back and have all but the last four numbers deleted to meet the new requirements. That alone is a problem, especially where I make additions, changes, corrections before printing out the final schedules to be filed, but if I need to amend later to add a creditor, I have to add it by typing onto my copy of her copy of D, E, or F, serve that on her, then also do the regular
amendment and serve that on her as well. I haven't thought through all the other implications for the Plan account numbers, but there must be more. She didn't have any suggestions about how to minimize the effort, but welcomed any we might have. She doesn't really care what additional effort is required of us. She's concerned about how she can do her job without the full account number. Despite having told other attorneys about this new procedure, she told me no one else had reacted to it as negatively as I did. Am I missing something? Am I the only one here who actually has to do some of this data entry or doesn't like paying staff to do extra steps in an already cumbersome process? Have any of you heard that the other trustees are requiring the same?
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That solves the problem then. So we can keep the full accnt number on the original schedules. I'll take your owrd for it.
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The new requirements do not mandate truncating the account numbers. It is optional. The only thing that is required to be hidden is the social security number.
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To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 6:10 PM
Subject: [cdcbaa] Account Numbers for Rojas
Chapter 13 Trustee Elizabeth Rojas informed me this week that she is
requiring the entire account number for all accounts in order to
track the proper account for each creditor. This is in addition to
the regular schedules we fiel with only the last four numbers of the
account. To me, this requires considerable additional effort. I
would have to have the entire number entered, print out a draft
Schedule D, E, and F for her use, then go back and have all but the
last four numbers deleted to meet the new requirements. That alone
is a problem, especially where I make additions, changes,
corrections before printing out the final schedules to be filed, but
if I need to amend later to add a creditor, I have to add it by
typing onto my copy of her copy of D, E, or F, serve that on her,
then also do the regular amendment and serve that on her as well. I
haven't thought through all the other implications for the Plan
account numbers, but there must be more. She didn't have any
suggestions about how to minimize the effort, but welcomed any we
might have. She doesn't really care what additional effort is
required of us. She's concerned about how she can do her job
without the full account number. Despite having told other
attorneys about this new procedure, she told me no one else had
reacted to it as negatively as I did. Am I missing something? Am I
the only one here who actually has to do some of this data entry or
doesn't like paying staff to do extra steps in an already cumbersome
process?
Have any of you heard that the other trustees are requiring the same?
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That solves the problem then. So we can keep the
full accnt number on the original schedules. I'll take your owrd for
it.
----- Original Message -----
From:
Mark J. Markus
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 6:35
PM
Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Account Numbers for
Rojas
The new requirements do not mandate truncating
the account numbers. It is optional. The only thing that is
required to be hidden is the social security number.
***********************************************Mark J.
MarkusLaw Office of Mark J. Markus11684 Ventura Blvd. PMB
#403Studio City, CA 91604-2652(818)509-1173(818)509-1460
(fax)e-mail: bklawr@bklaw.comweb:
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I love Liz Rojas, and Renee Sawyer but her office now has this absurd
requirement. We are not allowed to put the full account number on the
schedules, and I don't know when they input it into their system. My
suggestion is that we send them a list of account numbers for Class 5
creditors AFTER they send us the Notice of Intent to Pay Creditors, since
they don't pay Class 5 cclaims until 60 days after that. They can have the
Class 2 and 3 numbers when they review the secured claims. They brought up
last months that I didn't give them the full account numbers, when I did,
and I don't want to establish friction so I suggest they let us send them a
list of the account numbers handwritten on the mailing list after the
341(a). That's my thought. CG
To:
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 6:10 PM
Subject: [cdcbaa] Account Numbers for Rojas
> Chapter 13 Trustee Elizabeth Rojas informed me this week that she is
> requiring the entire account number for all accounts in order to
> track the proper account for each creditor. This is in addition to
> the regular schedules we fiel with only the last four numbers of the
> account. To me, this requires considerable additional effort. I
> would have to have the entire number entered, print out a draft
> Schedule D, E, and F for her use, then go back and have all but the
> last four numbers deleted to meet the new requirements. That alone
> is a problem, especially where I make additions, changes,
> corrections before printing out the final schedules to be filed, but
> if I need to amend later to add a creditor, I have to add it by
> typing onto my copy of her copy of D, E, or F, serve that on her,
> then also do the regular amendment and serve that on her as well. I
> haven't thought through all the other implications for the Plan
> account numbers, but there must be more. She didn't have any
> suggestions about how to minimize the effort, but welcomed any we
> might have. She doesn't really care what additional effort is
> required of us. She's concerned about how she can do her job
> without the full account number. Despite having told other
> attorneys about this new procedure, she told me no one else had
> reacted to it as negatively as I did. Am I missing something? Am I
> the only one here who actually has to do some of this data entry or
> doesn't like paying staff to do extra steps in an already cumbersome
> process?
>
> Have any of you heard that the other trustees are requiring the same?
>
>
>
>
>
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The new requirements do not mandate truncating the account numbers. It is optional. The only thing that is required to be hidden is the social security number.
***********************************************
Mark J. Markus
Law Office of Mark J. Markus
11684 Ventura Blvd. PMB #403
Studio City, CA 91604-2652
(818)509-1173
(818)509-1460 (fax)
e-mail: bklawr@bklaw.com
web: http://www.bklaw.com/
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----- Original Message -----
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 6:10 PM
Subject: [cdcbaa] Account Numbers for Rojas
Chapter 13 Trustee Elizabeth Rojas informed me this week that she is
requiring the entire account number for all accounts in order to
track the proper account for each creditor. This is in addition to
the regular schedules we fiel with only the last four numbers of the
account. To me, this requires considerable additional effort. I
would have to have the entire number entered, print out a draft
Schedule D, E, and F for her use, then go back and have all but the
last four numbers deleted to meet the new requirements. That alone
is a problem, especially where I make additions, changes,
corrections before printing out the final schedules to be filed, but
if I need to amend later to add a creditor, I have to add it by
typing onto my copy of her copy of D, E, or F, serve that on her,
then also do the regular amendment and serve that on her as well. I
haven't thought through all the other implications for the Plan
account numbers, but there must be more. She didn't have any
suggestions about how to minimize the effort, but welcomed any we
might have. She doesn't really care what additional effort is
required of us. She's concerned about how she can do her job
without the full account number. Despite having told other
attorneys about this new procedure, she told me no one else had
reacted to it as negatively as I did. Am I missing something? Am I
the only one here who actually has to do some of this data entry or
doesn't like paying staff to do extra steps in an already cumbersome
process?
Have any of you heard that the other trustees are requiring the same?
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The new requirements do not mandate truncating the
account numbers. It is optional. The only thing that is required to
be hidden is the social security number.
***********************************************Mark J. MarkusLaw
Office of Mark J. Markus11684 Ventura Blvd. PMB #403Studio City, CA91604-2652(818)509-1173(818)509-1460 (fax)e-mail: bklawr@bklaw.comweb:
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Chapter 13 Trustee Elizabeth Rojas informed me this week that she is
requiring the entire account number for all accounts in order to
track the proper account for each creditor. This is in addition to
the regular schedules we fiel with only the last four numbers of the
account. To me, this requires considerable additional effort. I
would have to have the entire number entered, print out a draft
Schedule D, E, and F for her use, then go back and have all but the
last four numbers deleted to meet the new requirements. That alone
is a problem, especially where I make additions, changes,
corrections before printing out the final schedules to be filed, but
if I need to amend later to add a creditor, I have to add it by
typing onto my copy of her copy of D, E, or F, serve that on her,
then also do the regular amendment and serve that on her as well. I
haven't thought through all the other implications for the Plan
account numbers, but there must be more. She didn't have any
suggestions about how to minimize the effort, but welcomed any we
might have. She doesn't really care what additional effort is
required of us. She's concerned about how she can do her job
without the full account number. Despite having told other
attorneys about this new procedure, she told me no one else had
reacted to it as negatively as I did. Am I missing something? Am I
the only one here who actually has to do some of this data entry or
doesn't like paying staff to do extra steps in an already cumbersome
process?
Have any of you heard that the other trustees are requiring the same?
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