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Interesting OSC before ER
That's exactly what I was thinking as well. I have a hunch that some of
our hetero clients are not legally married but no one hauls them in front
of the judge to show their marriage certificate.
Holly Roark
holly@roarklawoffices.com
www.roarklawoffices.com
Central District of California
Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney
1875 Century Park East, Suite 600
Los Angeles, CA 90067
T (310) 553-2600
F (310) 553-2601
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Patrick T. Green wrote:
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> Seems to me he should not discriminate on the basis of orientation. Does
> he issue an OSC for apparent heterosexual couple joint filings? If Robin
> Hood and Robin Hood file a joint petition, is that two men, two women or a
> man and a woman? If Jack and Jill Hill file, maybe they are really married
> or maybe they are siblings? (I resist mightily my urge to make an Arkansas
> joke).****
>
> ** **
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> To be fair, all joint filers should be required to show proof.****
>
> ** **
>
> My wife and I had a confidential marriage (psst: dont tell anyone) with
> the barest of bare bones ceremonies during our lunch break. I doubt we can
> find the certificate, so I hope we dont need to file. After all Pat Green
> and Kate Fitzgerald might be of the same gender, or at least look that way
> on paper.****
>
> ** **
>
> If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me.****
>
> ** **
>
> Pat****
>
> ** **
>
> Patrick T. Green****
>
> Attorney at Law****
>
> Fitzgerald & Green****
>
> 1010 E. Union St. Ste. 206****
>
> Pasadena, CA 91106****
>
> Tel: 626-449-8433****
>
> Fax: 626-449-0565****
>
> pat@fitzgreenlaw.com****
>
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> *From:* cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf
> Of *Peter M. Lively
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 18, 2012 5:45 PM
> *To:* cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [cdcbaa] Interesting OSC before ER****
>
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> 11 USC 302 requires "spouses" for joint filing****
>
> ****
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> LBR 1002-1(g) requires showing evidence to support joint filing (eg
> marriage license) at 341(a) hearing.****
>
> ****
>
> ER seems to be trying to make sure 302 is being complied with by these
> debtors.****
>
> ****
>
> Peter M. Lively, J.D., M.B.A.
> Law Office of Peter M. Lively * Personal Financial Law Center I
> 11268 Washington Boulevard, Suite 203, Culver City, California 90230-4647
> Telephone: (310) 391-2400 * Toll Free: (800) 307-3328 * Fax: (310)
> 391-2462****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Holly Roark
> *To:* cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 18, 2012 5:09 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [cdcbaa] Interesting OSC before ER****
>
> ****
>
> Is he just asking them to prove they are validly married, or is he saying
> that he won't accept a a same sex joint filing even if they are validly
> married under state law?****
>
> ****
>
>
> ****
>
> Holly Roark****
>
> holly@roarklawoffices.com****
>
> http://www.roarklawoffices.com/****
>
> Central District of California****
>
> Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney****
>
> 1875 Century Park East, Suite 600****
>
> Los Angeles, CA 90067****
>
> T (310) 553-2600****
>
> F (310) 553-2601****
>
> ****
>
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Tyson wrote:****
>
> ****
>
> Judge Robles filed and OSC re: Dismissal for Failure to Demonstrate
> Entitlement to File a Joint Case Pursuant to 11 USC Sec. 302(A) against
> debtors Herbert Windel and James Rodriguez (2:12-bk-48912-ER). ER seems to
> want the debtors to appear with their marriage license in hand at the
> hearing which is set for 1/23/2013 at 10:00 a.m.****
>
> ****
>
>
>
That's exactly what I was thinking as well. I have a hunch that some of our hetero clients are not legally married but no one hauls them in front of the judge to show their marriage certificate.
Holly Roark
holly@roarklawoffices.com
www.roarklawoffices.com
Central District of California
Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney
1875 Century Park East, Suite 600
Los Angeles, CA 90067
T (310) 553-2600
F (310) 553-2601
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Patrick T. Green <pat@fitzgreenlaw.com> wrote:
Seems to me he should not discriminate on the basis of orientation. Does he issue an OSC for apparent heterosexual couple joint filings? If Robin Hood and Robin Hood file a joint petition, is that two men, two women or a man and a woman? If Jack and Jill Hill file, maybe they are really married or maybe they are siblings? (I resist mightily my urge to make an Arkansas joke).
To be fair, all joint filers should be required to show proof.
My wife and I had a confidential marriage (psst: dont tell anyone) with the barest of bare bones ceremonies during our lunch break. I doubt we can find the certificate, so I hope we dont need to file. After all Pat Green and Kate Fitzgerald might be of the same gender, or at least look that way on paper.
If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me.
Pat
Patrick T. Green
Fitzgerald & Green1010 E. Union St. Ste. 206
Pasadena, CA 91106Tel: 626-449-8433
Fax: 626-449-0565pat@fitzgreenlaw.com
From: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter M. Lively
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 5:45 PMTo: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [cdcbaa] Interesting OSC before ER
11 USC 302 requires "spouses" for joint filing
LBR 1002-1(g) requires showing evidence to support joint filing (eg marriage license) at 341(a) hearing.
ER seems to be trying to make sure 302 is being complied with by these debtors.
Peter M. Lively, J.D., M.B.A.
Law Office of Peter M. Lively * Personal Financial Law Center I11268 Washington Boulevard, Suite 203, Culver City, California 90230-4647Telephone: (310) 391-2400* Toll Free: (800) 307-3328 * Fax: (310) 391-2462
ss"MsoNormal">From: Holly Roark <hollyroark22@gmail.com>
To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 5:09 PMSubject: Re: [cdcbaa] Interesting OSC before ER
Is he just asking them to prove they are validly married, or is he saying that he won't accept a a same sex joint filing even if they are validly married under state law?
Holly Roarkholly@roarklawoffices.com
http://www.roarklawoffices.com/
Central District of CaliforniaConsumer Bankruptcy Attorney
1875 Century Park East, Suite 600Los Angeles, CA 90067
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Seems to me he should not discriminate on the basis of orientation. Does he issue an OSC for apparent heterosexual couple joint filings? If Robin Hood and Robin Hood file a joint petition, is that two men, two women or a man and a woman? If Jack and Jill Hill file, maybe they are really married or maybe they are siblings? (I resist mightily my urge to make an Arkansas joke).
To be fair, all joint filers should be required to show proof.
My wife and I had a confidential marriage (psst: dont tell anyone) with the barest of bare bones ceremonies during our lunch break. I doubt we can find the certificate, so I hope we dont need to file. After all Pat Green and Kate Fitzgerald might be of the same gender, or at least look that way on paper.
If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me.
Pat
Patrick T. Green
Attorney at Law
Fitzgerald & Green
1010 E. Union St. Ste. 206
Pasadena, CA 91106
Tel: 626-449-8433
Fax: 626-449-0565
pat@fitzgreenlaw.com
The post was migrated from Yahoo.
11 USC 302 requires "spouses" for joint filing
LBR 1002-1(g) requires showing evidence to support joint filing (eg marriage license) at 341(a) hearing.
ER seems to be trying to make sure 302 is being complied with by these debtors.
Law Office of Peter M. Lively * Personal Financial Law Center I
11268 Washington Boulevard, Suite 203, Culver City, California 90230-4647
Telephone: (310) 391-2400* Toll Free: (800) 307-3328 * Fax: (310) 391-2462
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To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Interesting OSC before ER
Is he just asking them to prove they are validly married, or is he saying that he won't accept a a same sex joint filing even if they are validly married under state law?
Holly Roark
holly@roarklawoffices.com
http://www.roarklawoffices.com/
Central District of California
Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney
1875 Century Park East, Suite 600
Los Angeles, CA 90067
T (310) 553-2600
F (310) 553-2601
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Tyson wrote:
>
>Judge Robles filed and OSC re: Dismissal for Failure to Demonstrate Entitlement to File a Joint Case Pursuant to 11 USC Sec. 302(A) against debtors Herbert Windel and James Rodriguez (2:12-bk-48912-ER). ER seems to want the debtors to appear with their marriage license in hand at the hearing which is set for 1/23/2013 at 10:00 a.m.
>
>
The post was migrated from Yahoo.
Is he just asking them to prove they are validly married, or is he saying
that he won't accept a a same sex joint filing even if they are validly
married under state law?
Holly Roark
holly@roarklawoffices.com
www.roarklawoffices.com
Central District of California
Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney
1875 Century Park East, Suite 600
Los Angeles, CA 90067
T (310) 553-2600
F (310) 553-2601
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Tyson wrote:
> **
>
>
> Judge Robles filed and OSC re: Dismissal for Failure to Demonstrate
> Entitlement to File a Joint Case Pursuant to 11 USC Sec. 302(A) against
> debtors Herbert Windel and James Rodriguez (2:12-bk-48912-ER). ER seems to
> want the debtors to appear with their marriage license in hand at the
> hearing which is set for 1/23/2013 at 10:00 a.m.
>
>
>
Is he just asking them to prove they are validly married, or is he saying that he won't accept a a same sex joint filing even if they are validly married under state law?
Holly Roark
holly@roarklawoffices.com
www.roarklawoffices.com
Central District of California
Consumer Bankruptcy Attorney
1875 Century Park East, Suite 600
Los Angeles, CA 90067
T (310) 553-2600
F (310) 553-2601
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Tyson <tysonlawfirm@yahoo.com> wrote:
Judge Robles filed and OSC re: Dismissal for Failure to Demonstrate Entitlement to File a Joint Case Pursuant to 11 USC Sec. 302(A) against debtors Herbert Windel and James Rodriguez (2:12-bk-48912-ER). ER seems to want the debtors to appear with their marriage license in hand at the hearing which is set for 1/23/2013 at 10:00 a.m.
The post was migrated from Yahoo.
Judge Robles filed and OSC re: Dismissal for Failure to Demonstrate Entitlement to File a Joint Case Pursuant to 11 USC Sec. 302(A) against debtors Herbert Windel and James Rodriguez (2:12-bk-48912-ER). ER seems to want the debtors to appear with their marriage license in hand at the hearing which is set for 1/23/2013 at 10:00 a.m.
The post was migrated from Yahoo.