Interpreting 362(c)(3)

Yahoo Bot · Wed May 19, 2010 4:25 pm

Opposite, applies Unless 1st case was a 7, and first case was dismissed under 707b. This is consistant with 2005 purpose of forcing debtor to file an 11 or 13 after 707b granted.
Dennis McGoldrick
350 S. Crenshaw Bl., #A207B
Torrance, CA 90503
On May 18, 2010, at 7:54 AM, "David A. Tilem" wrote:
Facts:
Chapter 13 filed in mid-2009
Secured creditor got relief from stay
Case was dismissed at confirmation hearing in late 2009
Dismissal Order does not recite any grounds
New Chapter 11 case filed immediately after dismissal of Chapter 13
Question:
Is 362(c)(3) applicable?
Critical Language:
"other than a case refiled under a chapter other than chapter 7 after dismissal under section 707(b)"
Is This Correct?
362(c)(3) only applies if: (1) earlier case was a Chapter 7; and (2) Chapter 7 was dismissed under Sect. 707(b).
David A. Tilem
Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*
Law Offices of David A. Tilem (a debt relief agency)
206 N. Jackson Street, #201, Glendale, CA 91206
Tel: 818-507-6000 Fax: 818-507-6800
* Bankruptcy specialist cert. by State Bar of CA Bd of Legal Specialization.
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Opposite, applies Unless 1st case was a 7, and first case was dismissed under 707b. This is consistant with 2005 purpose of forcing debtor to file an 11 or 13 after 707b granted.Dennis McGoldrick350 S. Crenshaw Bl., #A207BTorrance, CA 90503On May 18, 2010, at 7:54 AM, "David A. Tilem" <DavidTilem@TilemLaw.com> wrote:

Facts:

Chapter 13 filed in
mid-2009
Secured creditor got relief from stay
Case was dismissed at
confirmation hearing in late 2009
Dismissal Order does
not recite any grounds
New Chapter 11 case filed
immediately after dismissal of Chapter 13

Question:

Is 362(c)(3)
applicable?

Critical
Language:

"other than a case refiled
under a chapter other than chapter 7 after dismissal under section
707(b)"

Is This Correct?

362(c)(3) only applies if:
(1) earlier case was a Chapter 7; and (2) Chapter 7 was dismissedunder Sect. 707(b).

David A.
Tilem
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Yahoo Bot · Tue May 18, 2010 9:23 am

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You have a 30 day stay. Motion to extend needs to be HEARD within 30 days of filing.

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Yahoo Bot · Tue May 18, 2010 8:59 am

This is the way I read 362(c)(3)(A)
The stayterminates withrespect to the debtor on the30th day, if an [individual debtor 7, 11, or 13] case is filed andthe debtor's prior case[other than aChapter 7 dismissedunder 707(b)] was dismissed within one year.
Therefore,dismissals under707(b) do not count asdismissals within one year.
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Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Interpreting 362(c)(3)
Hello David -
I read 362c3 in exactly the opposite way.
individual in a case under chapter 7, 11, or 13, - you have this element; and if a single or joint case of the debtor was pending within the preceding 1-year period but was dismissed, - you have this element too; other than a case refiled under a chapter other than chapter 7 after dismissal under section 707(b) - this is an excepting clause which you dont have.
It looks to me like 362c3 only doesnt apply when the previous case was a chapter 7, and it was dismissed under 707(b).
- John D. Faucher
On 5/18/10 7:54 AM, "David Tilem" wrote:
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>Facts:
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>Chapter 13 filed in mid-2009
>Secured creditor got relief from stay
>Case was dismissed at confirmation hearing in late 2009
>Dismissal Order does not recite any grounds
>New Chapter 11 case filed immediately after dismissal of Chapter 13
>
>Question:
>
>Is 362(c)(3) applicable?
>
>Critical Language:
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>"other than a case refiled under a chapter other than chapter 7 after dismissal under section 707(b)"
>
>Is This Correct?
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>362(c)(3) only applies if: (1) earlier case was a Chapter 7; and (2) Chapter 7 was dismissed under Sect. 707(b).
>
>
>David A. Tilem
>Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*
>Law Offices of David A. Tilem (a debt relief agency)
>206 N. Jackson Street, #201, Glendale, CA 91206
>Tel: 818-507-6000 Fax: 818-507-6800
>
>* Bankruptcy specialist cert. by State Bar of CA Bd of Legal Specialization.
>Business bankruptcy specialist cert. by Amer. Bd. of Certification
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>
>
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>
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>
- John D. Faucher
>>>
This is the way I read 362(c)(3)(A)

The stay terminates with respect to the debtor on the 30th day, if an [individual debtor 7, 11, or 13] case is filed and the debtor's prior case [other than a Chapter 7 dismissed under 707(b)] was dismissed within one year.

Therefore, dismissals under 707(b) do not count as dismissals within one year. Peter M. Lively, JD/MBALaw Office of Peter M. Lively * Personal Financial Law Center I11268 Washington Blvd, Suite 203, Culver City, CA 90230-4647Telephone: (310)391-2400 * (800)307-3328 * Fax: (310)391-2462 A-Bankruptcy-Attorney.comPersonal Financial Law Center II - Costa Mesa, CA
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From: John Faucher <j.d.faucher@sbcglobal.net>To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.comSent: Tue, May 18, 2010 8:28:45 AMSubject: Re: [cdcbaa] Interpreting 362(c)(3)
Hello David -I read 362c3 in exactly the opposite way. if a single or joint case is filed by or against debtor who is an individual in a case under chapter 7, 11, or 13, - you have this element; and if a single or joint case of the debtor was pending within the preceding 1-year period but was dismissed, - you have this element too; other than a case refiled under a chapter other than chapter 7 after dismissal under section 707(b) - this is an excepting clause which you donB> apply when the previous case was a chapter 7, and it was dismissed under 707(b). - John D. Faucher On 5/18/10 7:54 AM, "David Tilem" <davidtilem@tilemlaw .com> wrote:
Facts: Chapter 13 filed in mid-2009Secured creditor got relief from stayCase was dismissed at confirmation hearing in late 2009Dismissal Order does not recite any groundsNew Chapter 11 case filed immediately after dismissal of Chapter 13Is 362(c)(3) applicable? Critical Language:"other than a case refiled under a chapter other than chapter 7 after dismissal under section 707(b)"Is This
Correct? 362(c)(3) only applies if: (1) earlier case was a Chapter 7; and (2) Chapter 7 was dismissed under Sect. 707(b). Certified Bankruptcy Specialist* Law Offices of David A. Tilem (a debt relief agency)
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Yahoo Bot · Tue May 18, 2010 8:28 am

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Hello David -
I read 362c3 in exactly the opposite way.
individual in a case under chapter 7, 11, or 13, - you have this element;
preceding 1-year period but was dismissed, - you have this element too;
er
dismissal under section 707(b) - this is an excepting clause which you
dont have.
It looks to me like 362c3 only doesnt apply when the previous case was a
chapter 7, and it was dismissed under 707(b).
- John D. Faucher
On 5/18/10 7:54 AM, "David Tilem" wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Facts:
>
> Chapter 13 filed in mid-2009
> Secured creditor got relief from stay
> Case was dismissed at confirmation hearing in late 2009
> Dismissal Order does not recite any grounds
> New Chapter 11 case filed immediately after dismissal of Chapter 13
>
> Question:
>
> Is 362(c)(3) applicable?
>
> Critical Language:
>
> "other than a case refiled under a chapter other than chapter 7 after
> dismissal under section 707(b)"
>
> Is This Correct?
>
> 362(c)(3) only applies if: (1) earlier case was a Chapter 7; and (2) Chapter 7
> was dismissed under Sect. 707(b).
>
>
> David A. Tilem
> Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*
> Law Offices of David A. Tilem (a debt relief agency)
> 206 N. Jackson Street, #201, Glendale, CA 91206
> Tel: 818-507-6000 Fax: 818-507-6800
>
> * Bankruptcy specialist cert. by State Bar of CA Bd of Legal Specialization.
> Business bankruptcy specialist cert. by Amer. Bd. of Certification
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>> - John D. Faucher
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Re: [cdcbaa] Interpreting 362(c)(3)
Hello David -
I read 362c3 in exactly the opposite way.
“if a single or joint case is filed by or against debtor who is an individual in a case under chapter 7, 11, or 13,” - you have this element; “and if a single or joint case of the debtor was pending within the preceding 1-year period but was dismissed,” - you have this element too; “other than a case refiled under a chapter other than chapter 7 after dismissal under section 707(b)” - this is an excepting clause which you don’t have.
It looks to me like 362c3 only doesn’t apply when the previous case was a chapter 7, and it was dismissed under 707(b).
- John D. Faucher
On 5/18/10 7:54 AM, "David Tilem" <davidtilem@tilemlaw.com> wrote:

Facts:

Chapter 13 filed in mid-2009
Secured creditor got relief from stay
Case was dismissed at confirmation hearing in late 2009
Dismissal Order does not recite any grounds
New Chapter 11 case filed immediately after dismissal of Chapter 13

Question:

Is 362(c)(3) applicable?

Critical Language:

"other than a case refiled under a chapter other than chapter 7 after dismissal under section 707(b)"

Is This Correct?

362(c)(3) only applies if: (1) earlier case was a Chapter 7; and (2) Chapter 7 was dismissed under Sect. 707(b).

David A. Tilem
Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*†
Law Offices of David A. Tilem (a debt relief agency)
206 N. Jackson
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Yahoo Bot · Tue May 18, 2010 8:05 am

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You have a 30 day stay. Motion to extend needs to be HEARD within 30 days of filing.

The post was migrated from Yahoo.

Yahoo Bot · Tue May 18, 2010 7:54 am

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Facts:
Chapter 13 filed in mid-2009
Secured creditor got relief from stay
Case was dismissed at confirmation hearing in late 2009
Dismissal Order does not recite any grounds
New Chapter 11 case filed immediately after dismissal of Chapter 13
Question:
Is 362(c)(3) applicable?
Critical Language:
"other than a case refiled under a chapter other than chapter 7 after
dismissal under section 707(b)"
Is This Correct?
362(c)(3) only applies if: (1) earlier case was a Chapter 7; and (2) Chapter
7 was dismissed under Sect. 707(b).
David A. Tilem
Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*
Law Offices of David A. Tilem (a debt relief agency)
206 N. Jackson Street, #201, Glendale, CA 91206
Tel: 818-507-6000 Fax: 818-507-6800
* Bankruptcy specialist cert. by State Bar of CA Bd of Legal
Specialization.
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Facts:

Chapter 13 filed in
mid-2009
Secured creditor got relief from stay
Case was dismissed at
confirmation hearing in late 2009
Dismissal Order does
not recite any grounds
New Chapter 11 case filed
immediately after dismissal of Chapter 13

Question:

Is 362(c)(3)
applicable?

Critical
Language:

"other than a case refiled
under a chapter other than chapter 7 after dismissal under section
707(b)"

Is This Correct?

362(c)(3) only applies if:
(1) earlier case was a Chapter 7; and (2) Chapter 7 was dismissedunder Sect. 707(b).

David A.
Tilem
Certified Bankruptcy
Specialist*
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