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No Social Security Number - Now What
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Re-sending thread for Aron. _Perez_ attached. Hale
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Subject: RE: [cdcbaa] No Social Security Number - Now What
Judge Tighe was involved as a OUST counsel on a couple 18 USC 152 "false
oath" cases involving Social Security numbers where the Ninth Circuit Ct of
Appeals found against the debtor. See Clymer (95-55941) and Welch (103 F.3d
906). Sentences range from 15-33 months. Hale
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Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] No Social Security Number - Now What
Have you read in re Perez
Marvin Mann
2706 Artesia Blvd
Redondo Beach, CA
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Hi:
Many years ago, I had a client who came into my office and told me that
he wants to file for bankruptcy. He told me that he did not work for six
years. I did not believe any one can survive for six years without any
income. After talking to him for a little while, he told me that under his
own identity, he did not work but he worked under other identity (ie another
SSN# and name). Both the SSN and the CA ID will bought. He told me he had a
total of five different identities (ie five different sets of SSN# and ID
card). That reminds me of the movie Bourne Identity. I then told him that
I am so confused with his identity that I have a headache. I did not take
the case. Too much problem.
On 2/28/08, Hale Andrew Antico, Esq. wrote:
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> Judge Tighe was involved as a OUST counsel on a couple 18 USC 152 "false
> oath" cases involving Social Security numbers where the Ninth Circuit Ct
> of
> Appeals found against the debtor. See Clymer (95-55941) and Welch (103
> F.3d
> 906). Sentences range from 15-33 months. Hale
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> Marvin Mann
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Hi:
Many years ago, I had a client who came into my office and told me that he wants to file for bankruptcy. He told me that he did not work for six years. I did not believe any one can survive for six years without any income. After talking to him for a little while, he told me that under his own identity, he did not work but he worked under other identity (ie another SSN# and name). Both the SSN and the CA ID will bought. He told me he had a total of five different identities (ie five different sets of SSN# and ID card). That reminds me of the movie Bourne Identity. I then told him that I am so confused with his identity that I have a headache. I did not take the case. Too much problem.
On 2/28/08, Hale Andrew Antico, Esq. <bk.lawyer@gmail.com> wrote:
Judge Tighe was involved as a OUST counsel on a couple 18 USC 152 "falseoath" cases involving Social Security numbers where the Ninth Circuit Ct ofAppeals found against the debtor. See Clymer (95-55941) and Welch (103 F.3d
906). Sentences range from 15-33 months. Hale----dow,event,this)" href"mailto:cdcbaa%40yahoogroups.com" target"_blank">cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
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Have you read in re PerezMarvin Mann2706 Artesia BlvdRedondo Beach, CA__________________________________________________________Hospitality Management - Get the career you've always wanted. Click Now.
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Judge Tighe was involved as a OUST counsel on a couple 18 USC 152 "false
oath" cases involving Social Security numbers where the Ninth Circuit Ct of
Appeals found against the debtor. See Clymer (95-55941) and Welch (103 F.3d
906). Sentences range from 15-33 months. Hale
mjmannesq@juno.com
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Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] No Social Security Number - Now What
Have you read in re Perez
Marvin Mann
2706 Artesia Blvd
Redondo Beach, CA
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I had that happened to me. AFTER we filed, debtor tells me that the social security card he has been using is not really his! We just filed a declaration that the debtor does not have a social security number. No problem. But I would be weary of a creditor filing a 523 motion based on fraud....I would think. Not to mention the fact that the debtor will be testifying under oath that he does not have a social security number but yet has been working, presumbaly in violation of immigration laws, etc...Didn't happen in my case but I don't think I would want to risk that in the future.
Susana B. Tolchard
"David A. Tilem" wrote:
Client does not now, and has never had a VALID social security number.
He has been using a number he got "on the street" for many years -
credit card debt
bank loans
W-2 income
What do I do with this?
David A. Tilem
Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*
Law Offices of David A. Tilem (a debt relief agency)
206 N. Jackson Street, #201, Glendale, CA 91206
Tel: 818-507-6000 Fax: 818-507-6800
* Bankruptcy specialist cert. by State Bar of CA Bd of Legal Specialization.
Business bankruptcy specialist cert. by Amer. Bd. of Certification
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I had that happened to me. AFTER we filed, debtor tells me that the social security card he has been using is not really his! We just filed a declaration that the debtor does not have a social security number. No problem. But I would be weary of a creditor filing a 523 motion based on fraud....I would think. Not to mention the fact that the debtor will be testifying under oath that he does not have a social security number but yet has been working, presumbaly in violation of immigration laws, etc...Didn't happen in my case but I don't think I would want to risk that in the future. Susana B. Tolchard"David A. Tilem" <DavidTilem@TilemLaw.com> wrote: Client does not now, and has never had a VALID social security number. He has been using a number he got "on the street" for many years - credit card debt bank loans W-2 income What do I do with this?
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Marvin:
Thank you for sending me a copy of the Perez case. The facts of my case are
about as close as if I represented Perez. The decision says it all. I will
not be filing the case.
David A. Tilem
Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*
Law Offices of David A. Tilem (a debt relief agency)
206 N. Jackson Street, #201, Glendale, CA 91206
Tel: 818-507-6000 Fax: 818-507-6800
* Bankruptcy specialist cert. by State Bar of CA Bd of Legal
Specialization.
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MessageI'd call Paul Winkler. He seems to be up on those types of scenarios.
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Client does not now, and has never had a VALID social security number.
He has been using a number he got "on the street" for many years -
credit card debt
bank loans
W-2 income
What do I do with this?
David A. Tilem
Certified Bankruptcy Specialist*
Law Offices of David A. Tilem (a debt relief agency)
206 N. Jackson Street, #201, Glendale, CA 91206
Tel: 818-507-6000 Fax: 818-507-6800
* Bankruptcy specialist cert. by State Bar of CA Bd of Legal
Specialization.
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Client does not now, and
has never had a VALID social security number.
He has been using a number
he got "on the street" for many years -
credit card
debt
bank
loans
W-2
income
What do I do withthis?
David A.
Tilem
Certified Bankruptcy
Specialist*
The post was migrated from Yahoo.