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Survey, Lien Strips
Suggestion:
We [one of our esteemed and experienced colleagues] take the issue on
appeal. We all know that Riverside has a fixed rate for such work and some
judges in other divisions ask for motions, while others require adversary
proceedings.
If our fees are "reasonable" then they should be approved. I look forward
to increasing my fees comensurate with my expertise and experience.
Just my thoughts.
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Dennis McGoldrick wrote:
>
>
> Members:
>
> Can you please e me, offlist, what you are charging for lien strips?
>
> easky1@yahoo.com
>
> I will post a listing, without naming names, for all to see regarding the
> range of prices. We should have an idea what the market is.
>
> dennis
>
> ---Also, keep in mind, if someone answers your posted question, and you
> want to say "Thank you", or ask for something to be emailed from one person
> to you,
>
> Do those things offlist.
>
> We get over 400 emails on this list per month, and if all 400 said
> "thanks", we'd get 800...., or more.
>
> d
>
>
>
>
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Suggestion:
We [one of our esteemed and experienced colleagues] take the issue on appeal. We all know that Riverside has a fixed rate for such work and some judges in other divisions ask for motions, while others require adversary proceedings.
If our fees are "reasonable" then they should be approved.experience.
Just my thoughts.
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Dennis McGoldrick <easky1@yahoo.com> wrote:
Members:Can you please e me, offlist, what you are charging for lien strips?easky1@yahoo.comI will post a listing, without naming names, for all to see regarding the range of prices. We should have an idea what the market is.
dennis---Also, keep in mind, if someone answers your posted question, and you want to say "Thank you", or ask for something to be emailed from one person to you, Do those things offlist.
We get over 400 emails on this list per month, and if all 400 said "thanks", we'd get 800...., or more.d
The post was migrated from Yahoo.
At least not in Wisconsin....
On 4/12/2011 11:16 PM, Dennis wrote:
>
>
> The wisc article indicates only a 3rd party, who is not a
> competitor, may post survey results. As a result, I cannot
> publish the Info I have gained.. Keep competing.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 11, 2011, at 2:53 PM, "Patrick Green" > wrote:
>
>> This is a link to a detailed discussion of lawyers fees and
>> antitrust by two anti-trust lawyers that was published by the
>> Wisconsin Bar.
>>
>> http://www.wisbar.org/AM/Template.cfm?S ... ntentid611
>>
>>
>> If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me.
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> Patrick T. Green, Esq.
>>
>> Fitzgerald & Green
>>
>> Attorneys at Law
>>
>> 1010 E. Union Street
>>
>> Suite 206
>>
>> Pasadena, CA 91106
>>
>> Tel: 626-449-8433
>>
>> Fax: 626-449-0565
>>
>> pat@fitzgreenlaw.com
>>
>> *From:*cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Green
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 11, 2011 12:43 PM
>> *To:* cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
>> *Subject:* RE: [cdcbaa] Survey, Lien Strips
>>
>> As a follow up, I am surveying other listserves I am on to see if
>> anyone that has working knowledge of the area of law can opine on
>> the issue.
>>
>> If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me.
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> Patrick T. Green, Esq.
>>
>> Fitzgerald & Green
>>
>> Attorneys at Law
>>
>> 1010 E. Union Street
>>
>> Suite 206
>>
>> Pasadena, CA 91106
>>
>> Tel: 626-449-8433
>>
>> Fax: 626-449-0565
>>
>> pat@fitzgreenlaw.com
>>
>> *From:*cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Green
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 11, 2011 9:49 AM
>> *To:* cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
>> *Subject:* RE: [cdcbaa] Survey, Lien Strips
>>
>> Dennis and Jason:
>>
>> I am only reporting what has come up on _every_ other Listserve I
>> am on where fees have been raised. The issue is one of an
>> anti-trust and price fixing. I know next to nothing of the law
>> in this area. If you have a working knowledge of antitrust law,
>> then please let us know and give chapter and verse to show me
>> that my concerns are unfounded. If you don't have working
>> knowledge of the area of law, then I believe your confidence is
>> misplaced.
>>
>> If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me.
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> Patrick T. Green, Esq.
>>
>> Fitzgerald & Green
>>
>> Attorneys at Law
>>
>> 1010 E. Union Street
>>
>> Suite 206
>>
>> Pasadena, CA 91106
>>
>> Tel: 626-449-8433
>>
>> Fax: 626-449-0565
>>
>> pat@fitzgreenlaw.com
>>
>> *From:*cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason Wallach
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 08, 2011 7:19 PM
>> *To:* cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [cdcbaa] Survey, Lien Strips
>>
>> I don't see the problem either. Is the no-look fee and the RARA
>> terms antitrust violations?
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> On Apr 8, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Dennis McGoldrick wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Pat:
>>
>> I am 30 years in the business and a certified specialist...I
>> charge more than most all the time. Don't think there are any
>> antitrust issues here at all.
>>
>> dennis
>>
>> --- On *Fri, 4/8/11, Patrick Green /> >/* wrote:
>>
>>
>> >
>> Subject: RE: [cdcbaa] Survey, Lien Strips
>> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Friday, April 8, 2011, 4:40 PM
>>
>> Dennis:
>>
>> Every time this type of survey has been proposed on other
>> listserves, the objection has always been raised that such a
>> discussion is an anti-trust violation and should not be done.
>> To get around that, it is fair to ask how much time is spent on a
>> typical adversary or motion and what factors make that estimate
>> go up or down. This will not run afoul of anti-trust rules, but
>> will allow us to know what we are up against.
>>
>> If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me.
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> Patrick T. Green, Esq.
>>
>> Fitzgerald & Green
>>
>> Attorneys at Law
>>
>> 1010 E. Union Street
>>
>> Suite 206
>>
>> Pasadena, CA 91106
>>
>> Tel: 626-449-8433
>>
>> Fax: 626-449-0565
>>
>> pat@fitzgreenlaw.com
>>
>> *From:*cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis McGoldrick
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 08, 2011 2:48 PM
>> *To:* cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
>> *Subject:* [cdcbaa] Survey, Lien Strips
>>
>> Members:
>>
>> Can you please e me, offlist, what you are charging for lien strips?
>>
>> easky1@yahoo.com
>>
>> I will post a listing, without naming names, for all to see
>> regarding the range of prices. We should have an idea what the
>> market is.
>>
>> dennis
>>
>> ---Also, keep in mind, if someone answers your posted question,
>> and you want to say "Thank you", or ask for something to be
>> emailed from one person to you,
>>
>> Do those things offlist.
>>
>> We get over 400 emails on this list per month, and if all 400
>> said "thanks", we'd get 800...., or more.
>>
>> d
>>
>
>
>
The post was migrated from Yahoo.
The wisc article indicates only a 3rd party, who is not a competitor, may post survey results. As a result, I cannot publish the Info I have gained.. Keep competing.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 11, 2011, at 2:53 PM, "Patrick Green" wrote:
> This is a link to a detailed discussion of lawyers fees and antitrust by two anti-trust lawyers that was published by the Wisconsin Bar.
>
>
>
> http://www.wisbar.org/AM/Template.cfm?S ... r&template>
>
>
>
>
> If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me.
>
>
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> Patrick T. Green, Esq.
>
> Fitzgerald & Green
>
> Attorneys at Law
>
> 1010 E. Union Street
>
> Suite 206
>
> Pasadena, CA 91106
>
> Tel: 626-449-8433
>
> Fax: 626-449-0565
>
> pat@fitzgreenlaw.com
>
>
>
>
>
Patrick Green
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 12:43 PM
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [cdcbaa] Survey, Lien Strips
>
>
>
>
>
> As a follow up, I am surveying other listserves I am on to see if anyone that has working knowledge of the area of law can opine on the issue.
>
>
>
> If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me.
>
>
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> Patrick T. Green, Esq.
>
> Fitzgerald & Green
>
> Attorneys at Law
>
> 1010 E. Union Street
>
> Suite 206
>
> Pasadena, CA 91106
>
> Tel: 626-449-8433
>
> Fax: 626-449-0565
>
> pat@fitzgreenlaw.com
>
>
>
>
>
Patrick Green
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 9:49 AM
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [cdcbaa] Survey, Lien Strips
>
>
>
>
>
> Dennis and Jason:
>
>
>
> I am only reporting what has come up on every other Listserve I am on where fees have been raised. The issue is one of an anti-trust and price fixing. I know next to nothing of the law in this area. If you have a working knowledge of antitrust law, then please let us know and give chapter and verse to show me that my concerns are unfounded. If you dont have working knowledge of the area of law, then I believe your confidence is misplaced.
>
>
>
> If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me.
>
>
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> Patrick T. Green, Esq.
>
> Fitzgerald & Green
>
> Attorneys at Law
>
> 1010 E. Union Street
>
> Suite 206
>
> Pasadena, CA 91106
>
> Tel: 626-449-8433
>
> Fax: 626-449-0565
>
> pat@fitzgreenlaw.com
>
>
>
>
>
Jason Wallach
> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 7:19 PM
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Survey, Lien Strips
>
>
>
>
>
> I don't see the problem either. Is the no-look fee and the RARA terms antitrust violations?
>
> Jason
>
>
>
> On Apr 8, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Dennis McGoldrick wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Pat:
>
> I am 30 years in the business and a certified specialist...I charge more than most all the time. Don't think there are any antitrust issues here at all.
>
> dennis
>
> --- On Fri, 4/8/11, Patrick Green wrote:
>
>
> Subject: RE: [cdcbaa] Survey, Lien Strips
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, April 8, 2011, 4:40 PM
>
>
>
> Dennis:
>
>
>
> Every time this type of survey has been proposed on other listserves, the objection has always been raised that such a discussion is an anti-trust violation and should not be done. To get around that, it is fair to ask how much time is spent on a typical adversary or motion and what factors make that estimate go up or down. This will not run afoul of anti-trust rules, but will allow us to know what we are up against.
>
>
>
> If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me.
>
>
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> Patrick T. Green, Esq.
>
> Fitzgerald & Green
>
> Attorneys at Law
>
> 1010 E. Union Street
>
> Suite 206
>
> Pasadena, CA 91106
>
> Tel: 626-449-8433
>
> Fax: 626-449-0565
>
> pat@fitzgreenlaw.com
>
>
>
>
>
Dennis McGoldrick
> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 2:48 PM
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [cdcbaa] Survey, Lien Strips
>
>
>
>
>
> Members:
>
> Can you please e me, offlist, what you are charging for lien strips?
>
> easky1@yahoo.com
>
> I will post a listing, without naming names, for all to see regarding the range of prices. We should have an idea what the market is.
>
> dennis
>
> ---Also, keep in mind, if someone answers your posted question, and you want to say "Thank you", or ask for something to be emailed from one person to you,
>
> Do those things offlist.
>
> We get over 400 emails on this list per month, and if all 400 said "thanks", we'd get 800...., or more.
>
> d
>
>
>
>
>
The wisc article indicates only a 3rd party, who is not a competitor, may post survey results. As a result, I cannot publish the Info I have gained.. Keep competing. Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 11, 2011, at 2:53 PM, "Patrick Green" <pat@fitzgreenlaw.com> wrote:
The post was migrated from Yahoo.
Jason:
That is my read also. As an example, the RARA is not an agreement amongst
us, but a price at which the court will not question us. It can be argued
that it causes fees to go up to that level, but anyone who has handled an
individual with a small business knows what that the RARA did not make the
price go up.
I sent my request to three national listserves. If I get anymore, I will
pass it on.
If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me.
Pat
Patrick T. Green, Esq.
Fitzgerald & Green
Attorneys at Law
1010 E. Union Street
Suite 206
Pasadena, CA 91106
Tel: 626-449-8433
Fax: 626-449-0565
pat@fitzgreenlaw.com
The post was migrated from Yahoo.
charsetndows-1252
Patrick: Thank you for that article which was pretty much, right on the money. Maybe the clerk's office or one of the trustee's collects this information. I bet they do.
So, exchanges of information on fees between competitors is problematic, even if consumers could do the same survey, with names and amounts.
Jason Wallach
On Apr 11, 2011, at 2:53 PM, Patrick Green wrote:
>
> This is a link to a detailed discussion of lawyers fees and antitrust by two anti-trust lawyers that was published by the Wisconsin Bar.
>
>
>
> http://www.wisbar.org/AM/Template.cfm?S ... r&template>
>
>
>
>
> If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me.
>
>
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> Patrick T. Green, Esq.
>
> Fitzgerald & Green
>
> Attorneys at Law
>
> 1010 E. Union Street
>
> Suite 206
>
> Pasadena, CA 91106
>
> Tel: 626-449-8433
>
> Fax: 626-449-0565
>
> pat@fitzgreenlaw.com
>
>
>
>
>
Patrick Green
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 12:43 PM
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [cdcbaa] Survey, Lien Strips
>
>
>
>
>
> As a follow up, I am surveying other listserves I am on to see if anyone that has working knowledge of the area of law can opine on the issue.
>
>
>
> If you have any questions or concerns, ple ase contact me.
>
>
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> Patrick T. Green, Esq.
>
> Fitzgerald & Green
>
> Attorneys at Law
>
> 1010 E. Union Street
>
> Suite 206
>
> Pasadena, CA 91106
>
> Tel: 626-449-8433
>
> Fax: 626-449-0565
>
> pat@fitzgreenlaw.com
>
>
>
>
>
Patrick Green
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 9:49 AM
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [cdcbaa] Survey, Lien Strips
>
>
>
>
>
> Dennis and Jason:
>
>
>
> I am only reporting what has come up on every other Listserve I am on where fees have been raised. The issue is one of an anti-trust and price fixing. I know next to nothing of the law in this area. If you have a working knowledge of antitrust law, then please let us know and give chapter and verse to show me that my concerns are unfounded. If you dont have working knowledge of the area of law, then I believe your confidence is misplaced.
>
>
>
> If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me.
>
>
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> Patrick T. Green, Esq.
>
> Fitzgerald & Green
>
> Attorneys at Law
>
> 1010 E. Union Street
>
> Suite 206
>
> Pasadena, CA 91106
>
> Tel: 626-449-8433
>
> Fax: 626-449-0565
>
> pat@fitzgreenlaw.com
>
>
>
>
>
f Jason Wallach
> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 7:19 PM
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [cdcbaa] Survey, Lien Strips
>
>
>
>
>
> I don't see the problem either. Is the no-look fee and the RARA terms antitrust violations?
>
> Jason
>
>
>
> On Apr 8, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Dennis McGoldrick wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Pat:
>
> I am 30 years in the business and a certified specialist...I charge more than most all the time. Don't think there are any antitrust issues here at all.
>
> dennis
>
> --- On Fri, 4/8/11, Patrick Green wrote:
>
>
> Subject: RE: [cdcbaa] Survey, Lien Strips
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, April 8, 2011, 4:40 PM
>
>
>
> Dennis:
>
>
>
> Every time this type of survey has been proposed on other listserves, the objectio n has always been raised that such a discussion is an anti-trust violation and should not be done. To get around that, it is fair to ask how much time is spent on a typical adversary or motion and what factors make that estimate go up or down. This will not run afoul of anti-trust rules, but will allow us to know what we are up against.
>
>
>
> If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me.
>
>
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> Patrick T. Green, Esq.
>
> Fitzgerald & Green
>
> Attorneys at Law
>
> 1010 E. Union Street
>
> Suite 206
>
> Pasadena, CA 91106
>
> Tel: 626-449-8433
>
> Fax: 626-449-0565
>
> pat@fitzgreenlaw.com
>
>
>
>
>
Dennis McGoldrick
> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 2:48 PM
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [cdcbaa] Survey, Lien Strips
>
>
>
>
>
> Members:
>
> Can you please e me, offlist, what you are charging for lien strips?
>
> easky1@yah oo.com
>
> I will post a listing, without naming names, for all to see regarding the range of prices. We should have an idea what the market is.
>
> dennis
>
> ---Also, keep in mind, if someone answers your posted question, and you want to say "Thank you", or ask for something to be emailed from one person to you,
>
> Do those things offlist.
>
> We get over 400 emails on this list per month, and if all 400 said "thanks", we'd get 800...., or more.
>
> d
>
>
>
>
>
>
charsetndows-1252
Patrick: Thank you for that article which was pretty much, right on the money. Maybe the clerk's office or one of the trustee's collects this information. I bet they do. So, exchanges of information on fees between competitors is problematic, even if consumers could do the same survey, with names and amounts.Jason WallachOn Apr 11, 2011, at 2:53 PM, Patrick Green wrote:
This is a link to a detailed discussion of lawyers fees and antitrust by two anti-trust lawyers that was published by the Wisconsin Bar.
The post was migrated from Yahoo.
As a follow up, I am surveying other listserves I am on to see if anyone
that has working knowledge of the area of law can opine on the issue.
If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me.
Pat
Patrick T. Green, Esq.
Fitzgerald & Green
Attorneys at Law
1010 E. Union Street
Suite 206
Pasadena, CA 91106
Tel: 626-449-8433
Fax: 626-449-0565
pat@fitzgreenlaw.com
The post was migrated from Yahoo.
Dennis and Jason:
I am only reporting what has come up on every other Listserve I am on where
fees have been raised. The issue is one of an anti-trust and price fixing.
I know next to nothing of the law in this area. If you have a working
knowledge of antitrust law, then please let us know and give chapter and
verse to show me that my concerns are unfounded. If you don't have working
knowledge of the area of law, then I believe your confidence is misplaced.
If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me.
Pat
Patrick T. Green, Esq.
Fitzgerald & Green
Attorneys at Law
1010 E. Union Street
Suite 206
Pasadena, CA 91106
Tel: 626-449-8433
Fax: 626-449-0565
pat@fitzgreenlaw.com
The post was migrated from Yahoo.
charsetndows-1252
I don't see the problem either. Is the no-look fee and the RARA terms antitrust violations?
Jason
On Apr 8, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Dennis McGoldrick wrote:
> Pat:
>
> I am 30 years in the business and a certified specialist...I charge more than most all the time. Don't think there are any antitrust issues here at all.
>
> dennis
>
> --- On Fri, 4/8/11, Patrick Green wrote:
>
> Subject: RE: [cdcbaa] Survey, Lien Strips
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, April 8, 2011, 4:40 PM
>
>
> Dennis:
>
>
>
> Every time this type of survey has been proposed on other listserves, the objection has always been raised that such a discussion is an anti-trust violation and should not be done. To get around that, it is fair to ask how much time is spent on a typical adversary or motion and what factors make that estimate go up or down. This will not run afoul of anti-trust rules, but will allow us to know what we are up against.
>
>
>
> If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me.
>
>
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> Patrick T. Green, Esq.
>
> Fitzgerald & Green
>
> Attorneys at Law
>
> 1010 E. Union Street
>
> Suite 206
>
> Pasadena, CA 91106
>
> Tel: 626-449-8433
>
> Fax: 626-449-0565
>
> pat@fitzgreenlaw.com
>
>
>
>
>
Dennis McGoldrick
> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 2:48 PM
> To: cdcbaa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [cdcbaa] Survey, Lien Strips
>
>
>
>
>
> Members:
>
> Can you please e me, offlist, what you are charging for lien strips?
>
> easky1@yahoo.com
>
> I will post a listing, without naming names, for all to see regarding the range of prices. We should have an idea what the market is.
>
> dennis
>
> ---Also, keep in mind, if someone answers your posted question, and you want to say "Thank you", or ask for something to be emailed from one person to you,
>
> Do those things offlist.
>
> We get over 400 emails on this list per month, and if all 400 said "thanks", we'd get 800...., or more.
>
> d
>
>
>
>
charsetndows-1252
I don't see the problem either. Is the no-look fee and the RARA terms antitrust violations?JasonOn Apr 8, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Dennis McGoldrick wrote:
Pat:I am 30 years in the business and a certified specialist...I charge more than most all the time. Don't think there are any antitrust issues here at all.dennis--- On Fri, 4/8/11, Patrick Green <pat@fitzgreenlaw.com> wrote:
The post was migrated from Yahoo.